More “Relevant” Church Services & “Crunk” Youth Ministry Events

My recent foray into learning about “crunk” youth ministry services (and “more crunk” youth ministry madness) has taken me on a journey into YouTube. It seems as though the old “seeker sensitive” model has become…well…stale, and “relevant churches” are looking at ways to really attract worshippers club goers…and their kids.

Journey with me into the valley of the absurd:

“Does Your Youth Pastor Get Crunk? Ours Does!”

“Youth Pastors Gone Wild – Youth Pastor Dance Off”

“Pastor (Sermon Illustration) Gone Wild”

***at least this idiot pastor had the sense to wear a helmet

1 Corinthians 1:18-20 (New American Standard Bible)

18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written,
       ” WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE,
         AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE.” 

20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

Paul was right – the simple message of the Cross of Christ is foolishness to those who don’t know Him, yet we are compelled to share that simple message clearly and concisely so that regeneration can take place.

When the Cross is “lifted up” – the message alone will draw men to Christ (John 12:31-33), NOT a clever marketing gimmick that appeals to our momentary attention span. 

Clearly God is using the foolish wisdom of the world displayed in the videos above to demonstrate that you can’t emulate the world while seeking Him. Unfortunately, it is our undying love for the things of this world that continue to manifest in the garbage you see above:

1 John 2:15-16 (New American Standard Bible)

15 Do not love the world nor the things in the world If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.

Lord have mercy…

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14 Responses to “More “Relevant” Church Services & “Crunk” Youth Ministry Events”


  1. 1 Lew August 20, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    You missed the best one of them all!

  2. 2 speaking truth August 20, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    How could I have forgotten Rick Pino, Lew?!

    We could probably spend hours digging this garbage up…

  3. 3 Douglas K. Adu-Boahen August 20, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    ST, please permit to ask one question: How dumb do these ministries think the young people of today are??? 🙄

  4. 4 speaking truth August 20, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Very dumb, doug. Don’t get me wrong – I get it. Some young people have a short attention span and there is a temptation to “dumb it down” to reach to them.

    I am, however, also a father – and I have found that a direct coversation about sin, seperation from God, the gift of salvation and Jesus’ satisfaction of our sin debt can be digested by a child.

    If more “kids” like you stood up, then these “preachers” would be challeged to shoot straight from the hip. Until then, you’ll see more “Soulja Boy” dancing in the pulpit.

  5. 5 Brother K August 21, 2008 at 8:37 am

    Amen to parents and children having an actual dialogue, ST! Folks would be surprised at how much biblical truth their little people can grasp if they would just talk with them. Still, as far as these “crunk” services go, it could be worse…I’m still waiting for a Pastor to be inspired by David in Samuel 6 and follow suit…or suit-less as the case may be (shudder).

  6. 6 Ken August 21, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    IST,
    You are absolutely right, the dumbing down of Christianity in the name of “reaching people where they are” continues at a breakneck pace. It’s amazing to me that young people can memorize rap lyrics, operate every high-tech gadget in the world, but can’t understand the simple gospel unless we make it “crunk”, or “relevant”. Having had the opportunity to speak at several youth services, I always issue the same challenge to the people in charge of that particluar group. This is the challenge, not to see their calling in terms of making the bible relevant, but to get young people to understand that it is already relevant. When we refuse to stand on God’s word alone and preach that message to young people we are preparing them for failure. No wonder so many go off to college and their faith is suddenly made shipwreck. They’re “crunk”, but they’re not prepared for battle.

  7. 7 speaking truth August 21, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    It’s amazing to me that young people can memorize rap lyrics, operate every high-tech gadget in the world, but can’t understand the simple gospel unless we make it “crunk”, or “relevant”.

    You are so right Ken – how is it that we expect our kids to excel in school (and we can see how they quickly understand the things that they want to understand), yet we assume that they can’t grasp the Gospel?

    No wonder so many go off to college and their faith is suddenly made shipwreck. They’re “crunk”, but they’re not prepared for battle.

    And when they grow up and start attending a mega club then they have no reason to defend the Gospel because it’s not being preached there anyway.

    Excellent comments, Ken

  8. 8 nan August 22, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever. He never changes and neither does the word of God. We are to change nothing to fit anyone. They either except God has He is or reject Him there is no changing of God

  9. 9 James August 25, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Ok, ya’ll, I have to say while I don’t like nor agree w/ “crunk gospel” music, who am I, or we to say that it did not reach a particular person? Maybe it did plant a seed in someone’s life. Also, why can’t kids have a good time @ church with “holy hip hop” (if there is such a thing)? I would rather my child be @ church where they are playing holy hip hop than a high school dance where you don’t know what the DJ may play. C’mon….I agree that the seeker sensitive thing is whack and silly, but after kids have been given a healthy, balanced dose of the Word,….let them have a little fun….within reason, of course. It’s almost like you can’t laugh and enjoy life if you are saved! Use discernment and enjoy life!

  10. 10 escapeetoo August 25, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    James,

    Bru, you can’t mix the world with God’s word. God’s nature and hip hop do not mix. The things of this world simply do not mix with the holiness of God.

    We have been given Jesus Christ because you and I can’t stand in the site of God without the atonement of the blood of Christ.

    Mixing the world with the Word does not work. Can we agree on this? The “hip hop” culture has a tone of worldliness, sinfulness, and violence. This is well documented. Therefore how can we mix the Holiness of God with the sinful characteristics of “hip hop”?

  11. 11 James August 26, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Yes, I fully agree about the hip hop culture…it is straight up demonic.

    However,…..

    ok, so a drum machine is the world? A saxophone is the world? A set of drums is the world? I’m a photographer by trade, so is a camera a product of the world and am I condemned too because I use the gift/talent God gave me to capture moments in time. There are photographers that capture nudity and perversion with their tool of the trade. I DO NOT! So, since both me and other persons in the same field use the same camera, but I use mine to glorify God, but they create pornographic images, am I to be clumped into the same grouping simply because I use the same materials for my creative process?

    Yes, I believe in the Holiness of God and that there should certainly be a difference between clean and unclean, and we should have the discernment to know which is which. However, some of this is starting to sound legalistic and not freedom. Yes, I understand that all things are lawful, but not all things are expedient, but at what point can a Christian have a good time in God …. I mean, can we go to the beach and wear beach clothes? C’mon ya’ll, let’s not get legalistic…keep it balanced when it comes to teaching kids both the truth of God, staying away from worldliness, and knowing what is right and wrong.

  12. 12 speaking truth August 26, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    James,

    Good to hear from you again brother. I tried to keep silent about the whole “holy hip-hop” movement because I really didn’t understand it. I still don’t want to condemn all of it because I understand that there are some Christ-centered “rappers” out there. That being said, there are still worldly rappers who simply throw in the Name of Jesus to appeal to the “relevant” church crowd.

    I suspect that many parents trust their youth pastors and youth ministries, so they drop the kids off at children’s church to be “fed”. Those same parents (unlike you) would probably not take time to consistently talk of Christ and the Cross at home (since many parents want their preacher to “speak over” their homes), so the kids only real exposure to “ministry” is what you see above. I agree – let’s not get legalistic, but let’s not forsake the fundamental teachings of core Christianity. I sincerely believe that if a child is exposed to the real Gospel, then they can discern for themselves if what they are hearing (or participating in) is of God or of the world.

  13. 13 anointedvessel August 27, 2008 at 4:23 am

    Lord have mercy indeed! I want to know have you peeped the new show hosted by the disgraced, “I fell down and got back up again with my own brand of anointment” Tonex? The show is called “Lifted” if I am not mistaken, my daughter mentioned it to me the other day. She was cruising through the channels and saw him on some gospel station and she heard him say something silly like “we didn’t come to get all spiritual but we came to get lifted” (paraphrased). Okayeeee!!!???!!! What in God’s name does that mean? She called me into the room and I noticed the show had gospel and secular artists sharing the same stage . They were doing all of manner of convulsive type dances that looked every bit like they needed for somebody to call 911. What they were doing looked more like they were suffering from medical conditions than dancing….The whole show was geared toward, the flesh and the oh so popular “experience” that has become the common vernacular for the body of Christ. These getting crunk services are confusing for this generation, because it sends out mixed signals. When we get saved, a conversion takes place and all things are become new and old things are passed away. The old lifestyle is a thing of the past, this is important because that club atmosphere only fosters attitudes and feelings that are contrary with a personal walk with God. The pastors that allow this are not doing their young folks any favors by tempting their flesh.

  14. 14 Bill September 29, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    It’s not just music. There are youth pastors (I wouldn’t even want to know how many) that are actually playing and encouraging demonic video games with the kids they are supposed to be discipling. These games are absolutely full of demonic characters, witchcraft, sorcery, spell casting, communication with the dead, etc. I don’t know what they would tell one of their kids if they wanted to dabble in wiccan witchcraft.

    Did I miss something? Has God’s word lost it’s power to change lives and save men’s souls?

    How in the world did the first century church grow so fast without some awesome “christian” speed metal groups around to reach the kids?

    The church on the whole has absolutely bowed down at the altar of relevance.

    Are these types of “relational” activities being taught or encouraged in seminaries today?


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