Fred K.C. Price…Apostle?

So, what are you doing next Friday (July 25th)? If you’re in Los Angeles, why don’t you stop by the “apostolic confirmation” service for Dr. Fred K.C. Price?

Freddy has ravaged the Gospel by touting the “little gods” heresy (among other heresies), extorting tithes taxes from his followers AND teaching others how to steal also, and starting an entire denomination that duplicates his heresy around the globe.

So how is Freddy rewarded for his assault on the Gospel? By being “affirmed” as an “apostle”, of course! Don’t believe me? Take a look at his seal (that makes it official, right?):

Now that you’ve stopped laughing (or crying) – let’s review what the biblically ignorant like to use as their scriptural justification for calling themselves “apostles”:

Ephesians 4:11-12 (New American Standard Bible)

11 And He (V)gave (W)some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as (X)evangelists, and some as pastors and (Y)teachers,

 12 (Z)for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of (AA)the body of Christ;

13 until we all attain to (AB)the unity of the faith, and of the (AC)knowledge of the Son of God, to a (AD)mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the (AE)fullness of Christ.

Paul clearly told the church at Ephesus that Jesus gave “some as apostles…for the equipping of the saints…until we all attain unity of the faith”. So the question now becomes “if we all haven’t attained the unity in the faith that Paul spoke of, isn’t the apostolic office still open?”

If we go Ephesians 2, we see Paul clear write that it was one of the foundational offices (my emphasis in bold):

Ephesians 2:19-22 (New American Standard Bible)

19 So then you are no longer (A)strangers and aliens, but you are (B)fellow citizens with the saints, and are of (C)God’s household,

 20 having been (D)built on (E)the foundation of (F)the apostles and prophets, (G)Christ Jesus Himself being the (H)corner stone,

 21 (I)in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into (J)a holy temple in the Lord,

 22 in whom you also are being (K)built together into a (L)dwelling of God in the Spirit.

So, we see that Paul FIRST STATES that the Apostolic office is a foundational office (in Eph. 2), then he explains the purpose (Eph 4). So does that mean that the work of the ministry is complete? Absolutely not! In fact, as we look at the apostasy that is strangling the church, we need the REAL GOSPEL preached more and more – but that IS NOT a justifiable argument that there are modern day apostles.

In fact, as believers of the Lord Jesus Christ, we have the infallible Word of God as a tool to proclaim repentance of sin and salvation unto God through Jesus Christ – does that make ALL OF US apostles?

Further, when you look at the American Heritage Dictionary definition for the word apostle, the first two entries confirm what we know scripture says:

  1. One of a group made up especially of the 12 disciples chosen by Jesus to preach the gospel.
  2. A missionary of the early Christian Church.

Even though Paul wasn’t a disciple, he clearly got his “marching orders” from Christ (Acts 9), thus making him (an official) Apostle. We don’t defend the title of “teacher” as much as we do the title of “apostle”. Why? Because the title “apostle” sounds more religious, and brings to mind a more lofty, authoritative ideal. Also, we have the rightful title of “pastor” and “elder” to successfully convey the job of a shepherd – have those titles become so common that we have to elevate the dialect?

Even further, we don’t see these modern-day “apostles” operating in signs and wonders – specifically because Paul said that they had already occurred (2 Corinthians 12:12)…not that God can’t work miracles and wonders through people, but the TRUE Apostles didn’t engage in parlor tricks or games. Can you imagine Paul or Peter exhorting the sheep to “sow” into a corrupt pyramid scheme in order to “gain favor” – or to “speak those things” in expectation for something from God? NO!

On the contrary, REAL APOSTLES chided the sheep for their desire of earthly gain and reminded them to be content no matter what state they were in (1 Timothy 6:8, Philippians 4:11, 2 Corinthians 12:10, Hebrews 13:5, 1 Timothy 6:6). The pimps who “claim their apostolic mantle” these days only do so to grease their well-oiled money taking machines.

So, if you want to call old Freddy an “apostle”, then go right ahead. In fact, I think I’ll call myself one too – Apostle Speaking Truth…I like the sound of that.

Thinking to myself: Hmmm…maybe I’ll take my “apostolic confirmation” service on the road. For a small “love gift”, I’ll bring my apostolic mantle to a strip mall near you!

66 Responses to “Fred K.C. Price…Apostle?”

  1. 1 Douglas K. Adu-Boahen July 18, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    The Right Honourable, Most Venerable Apostle Speaking Truth 😆

    Seriously, when I saw this on the WORD Network, I wanted to bust out in laughter – this man, along with Leroy Thompson, is one of the most obnoxious faith teachers [faith being an oxymoron of oxymorons] in the world! We should be awarded for putting up with his attitude LOL.

  2. 4 speaking truth July 18, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Thank you for honoring my ascension Doug. You are clearly an educated young man who knows the anointed when you see them (or in this case, read their divinely inspired edicts) 😆

    But seriously, it has become a game with these people – complete with semantics, the pomp and circumstance and the falling all over one another in order to recognize their “apostolic gifting”.

    I pray that the more and more they parade these absurdities before our eyes, the more tired we’ll grow of them – and decide to square them up with God’s Word to see how they weigh out.

  3. 5 Douglas K. Adu-Boahen July 18, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    The lust for titles among preachers isn’t new to me. In my tradition, we have folks known as “Archbishop”, “Apostle-General”, “Prophet” and sometimes I wonder – is it all just a marketing ploy?

    Is this “affirmation” nothing than Fred Price trying to attract a new generation to his garbage? From all the pomp and circumstance I have heard from the Fred Price Society aka FICWFM, it probably is…

  4. 7 speaking truth July 18, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    …sometimes I wonder – is it all just a marketing ploy? Is this “affirmation” nothing than Fred Price trying to attract a new generation to his garbage?

    Why, yes to both accusations, Doug! If you look at the schedule of events for this shindig, you’ll see that it’s replete with corporate sponsorships and solicitations for donations.

    I mean, Fred already has a corporate jet and either 2 Bentley’s or 1 Rolls Royce (depending on who you ask), so what does he need with more money from the sheep?

    Oh, maybe as their new Apostle, he’s gonna tell them about how tithing to him now will guarantee a 1000 fold return instead of the old 30/60/100 fold promise when he was just a regular pastor false teacher.

  5. 8 Independent Conservative July 18, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    A very good post brother.

    I almost could think of nothing to mention, you covered things so well. But there is one other thing about those who were truly in the Office of Apostle, that we should remember.

    1 Corinthians 4:9 (New American Standard Bible)

    9 For, I think, God has exhibited us apostles last of all, as men condemned to death; because we have become a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men.

    Those really of the Office of Apostle were LAST, the greatest of servants and in Heaven will be FIRST. Is KC a spectacle being put to DEATH? (When Jesus said take up your CROSS, He meant it! And we may face death one day ourselves.)

    Also, the 12 Apostles, the 11 selected by Christ plus Matthias have Matthew 19:27-30. They received in this life to give it all away and will take their promised place in the Kingdom of God, 12 thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Paul admits he was not one of the 12, not one of the most eminent Apostles, but still in terms of authority in the office to speak the truth of God he was on par with them, 2 Corinthians 11:5. Some like to play “swap the apostle” and claim Paul took the place of Judas, but there is no support in scripture for such assertions at all. Although Matthias is not spoken of much, all the apostles are noted to have had signs and wonders affirming their apostleship even before Paul was converted, Acts 2:43.

    But now old KC Price claims apostleship 😀 . Sadly funny.

    I wonder if he’s going to upgrade his jet?
    Frederick K.C. Price and the Private Jet He’s Not Saying Much About These Days!

  6. 9 speaking truth July 18, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Glory to God IC – I was trying to make sure that I covered the bases well enough, and you’ve come along to complete things nicely.

    Yeah, EVERYBODY wants to overlook the nearly WORLDWIDE CONDEMNATION that befell the REAL Apostles, yet they want to claim the “mantle” when they want you to follow their orders. The weak argument then becomes “the apostles were charged to spead the gospel and plant churches, so if I open another church then that automaticaly makes me an apostle”.

    The reality is that we all have a responsibility to spread the Gospel message – and we don’t need a biblically incorrect title to do it.

    Oh, and Freddy will probably update that G4 you wrote about last year after he rakes in a few more dollars next week 🙄

  7. 10 EnochWalked July 18, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Praise the Lord Brother Speaking Truth, I haven’t talk to you for a while since the 4th! I got a pretty good job prospect–thank you and Sister Rascoe1 and others for your prayers!

    I believe the office of apostle exists only for the purpose of reaching untilled soil(sinners who have never heard the Gospel of our LORD and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST), especially the 10/40 Window.
    An apostle as you mentioned is truly a missionary sent and chosen by the LORD JESUS CHRIST for the purpose of establishing and planting church(es) in untilled soil.

    I totally agree with you that in the USA, the term apostle and prophet/prophetess has been lifted up too highly and blown way out of proportion to make men LOOK SUPER-DUPER SPIRITUAL! Most of the people in the USA are hyper pentecostal/charismatics and a lot have come under the influence of familiar spirits–Not all, but most! Most of the things that people have foolishly labeled as prophecy was really a word of knowledge/discernment. Then some bishop gives the person a title of prophet, etc. and then the person goes forth not really waiting upon the LORD for their calling. I would say this is the biggest temptation that is killing a lot of ministries and ministers today, not waiting on the LORD!

    Guys like Fred Price are NOT even at 1% of the exent of the suffering, stoning, beatings, death threats and persecution like Peter, John, Paul, the LORD JESUS CHRIST(CHIEF APOSTLE) AND guys like Price are not fulfilling John 14:12 and Mark 16:15-20!

    Keep on being a Watchman on the Wall Brother Speaking Truth! I pray all is well with you and your family. GOD bless!

  8. 11 EnochWalked July 18, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    I did not see IC’s comment–I say AMEN 100% to your comment about 1 Corinthians 4:9.

  9. 12 gcmwatch July 18, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Hmmmmm, I wonder about that too. Why aren’t these “apostles” suffering (for real) to advance the gospel and the cause of Christ. Instead they are advancing wealth, wealth and let’s see… more wealth.

    IST, would you agree that one can do “apostolic” work, without carrying the title of Apostle?

    Im searching for scripture, may update when I find it.

  10. 13 speaking truth July 18, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Enochwalked – welcome back brother! We’re doing well down here…I pray that you and yours are doing well up there as well. Regarding your comment, I still believe that the “official” office of the Apostle is closed. Also to piggyback on your comment as well gcmwatch, that doesn’t mean that we can’t do apostolic work. As I referenced in the post, ALL of us should be Christian missionaries and willing to suffer {really suffer, not just be “inconvenienced”} – so that could be considered “apostolic”. While we may not plant “churches”, we should “plant” the Word of God into the hearts of those who don’t know Him and (prayerfully) water that seed with His Word as He allows.

    Further, we should all operate as Deacons (Acts 6:1-4), Elders (James 5:13-15), Evangelists, Pastors, and teachers (Ephesians 4:11-12) – again, gloryfing God in the work of the ministry but NOT seeking the titles of ministry.

    We see the motivation of the hearts of those who wear their “Apostle’s” (and various other) titles – receiving their glory down here for sure, cause they just might not get it in eternity (Matthew 23:1-12).

    • 14 word November 9, 2009 at 2:54 pm

      i dont understand your point if you trying to say that there is no more apostles today the scriptures you used dont bag up your argument matter fact you are useing scripture out of context matter fact you contradict your self if theres the other three of the five fold then why cant you accept the two

      • 15 speaking truth November 9, 2009 at 3:33 pm

        Excuse me, word, but what exactly don’t you understand about the premise of my post? Did you not read the scriptures I sited in entirety and in context yourself? And where exactly did I contradict myself?

        Here’s an easier question for you – in case you don’t understand the point I’m making with my previous questions: what signs and wonders preceed and follow Fred Price as confirmation of his “apostolic mantle”?

  11. 16 hiscrivener July 20, 2008 at 8:07 am

    Oh, I do enjoy this blog. I posted the same story on the “Wall”. (The Writing on the Wall, that is). What’s peculiar is how many FKCP apologists there are out there.

    Here’s my post:

    As the headline says, “Enough already!”

    It’s not only heresy, it’s just a shame.

  12. 17 joyfulfreedom1 July 20, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Oh Fred’s an apostle now? lol. lol. I want to see him get over to skid row and start the healing there! Man he’s been on the same heresies for 30 years or more! He never did like doctrine. Came out of the JW’s and went straight to WFM theology.

    All those depraved folk in Inglewood, and the Crenshaw district need the Word of Truth rightly divided! Fred can’t even preach!

    Oh, who conferred the apostleship on him?

  13. 18 speaking truth July 20, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Thanks for coming by joyfulfreedom1 – you’ve got a pretty good blog over there.

    Freddy has been “honored” by the denomination that HE founded (see the link in the article above for their website). No conflict of interest there, right ? 🙄

  14. 19 Angie July 23, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Gee. I didn’t like him even when I was a happy Word of Faith girl.
    Seriously – he makes me nauseous.

    Love your blog!

  15. 20 God's Daughter July 24, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    I am sorry to see that so many people still go untouched by the Lord. I invite all of you to come to CCC and witness this event. The Lord loves you even in all your bickering, hatred, ignorance, etc. He’ll make a way for you to get past it and see what’s right. Please do attend!

  16. 21 speaking truth July 24, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Wow Angie, if you didn’t believe Freddie’s rap game when you were in the WOF, then you must really have some discernment 🙂

    God’s Daughter – thanks for stopping by. You said:

    I am sorry to see that so many people still go untouched by the Lord. I invite all of you to come to CCC and witness this event.

    It’s quite a leap to assume that we are all “untouched” by the Lord. In fact, we’re all zealous defenders of the Word of God, but some of us have already been “touched” by a pimp who claims to speak for the Lord (like Freddy), so we’re happier when searching the scriptures for ourselves.

    Why don’t you help enlighten all of us bickering, ignorant haters by pointing us to the bible so that we can repent and read what God says specifically – since I clearly didn’t properly exegete the text in the article above.

    – What is your view on apostolic ministry – is the title of “Apostle” still “releveant” or does the ministry reside in every believer?

    – Do you agree that the “tithe” is an old covenant law, and if so can you direct us to scripture in the New Testament to support it?

    – Do you subscribe to theory that we are all “little gods”, thereby given us the power to direct God to and fro at our leisure, and if so, can you soundly defend it with scripture?

    I’d be happy to post your reply to those questions – as well as any other sound biblical insight you can share with us (scripturally-based only, not conjecture or your notes from one of Freddie’s sermons). If you’d rather not follow-up in the manner prescribed, I understand…and I see no reason to approve another one of your comments.

    Thanks again for stopping by.

  17. 22 concerned July 27, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    It is very unsettling to read the many comments of hatred that are constantly spewed towards DR. Price. Unlike other pastors who have to add their fabrications to the word, Dr. Price is going right from the bible word for word. Instead of criticizing him for the way you think he acts it would be refreshing if you would realize that not only is he teaching word for word from the bible but that his life is a modern day example of living the word of God. He is constantly criticized for his confidence in the word. Instead of criticizing him, as Christians, we should have the same type of confidence in the word of God. I pray that the Lord would change your hearts and minds to understand that you can too have the powerful relationship with God that he possesses.

  18. 23 joyfulfreedom1 July 27, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    ST thanks for the “props”!

    To the lady in Fred’s church, let’s get real. The bible tells us, “Test all thing”, (and since it’s all about the KJV in CCC, the word is there is prove) 1 Thess 5:21. And the Bereans were more noblemined than the Thessalonians, because they checked what Paul said by the scriptures. Acts 17:11 Should we do no less.

    By stating untouched are you saying unsaved? I think you need to repent before God, if that’s what you’re saying.
    I’ve heard Fred Price teaching error since I was in high school and was uncoverted, and still recognized a wolf in sheep clothing in an uncoverted state. At that point in my life that was game recongnizing game.

    As a mature discerning christian I test his claims and teaching by the bible, many of of which (and that’s an understatement) fall into the category of what we call heresy. False teaching. I’m not attacking Fred, just his poor teaching.

    Fred Claims:

    Doctrine is what screwed the church.

    No christian in his right mind would make the statement that doctrine screwed up the church. Only false doctrine has done that.

    The resurrection, and virgin birth, the deity of Christ, and the Trinity are doctrinal teachings that are recovered from scripture.

    Let’s squash it right here sister girl.

    Qualifications for an apostle:

    Acts 1:21-22

    21 “Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection.”

    Compared with:

    1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord?

    One would need to be a physcial eye witness of Jesus’ resurrection, to make the claim, my sister. Yeah, I’m Westcoast too! Cali-raised, cali-bred, saved by the grace that is in Christ Jesus!

    But back on point. Some people consider missionary work and church planting the work of an apostle like the missionary journeys of Paul in the book of Acts, but they wouldn’t dare call themselves an apostle. To take on that title is a perversion of scriptural truth.

  19. 24 SearchingforTruth July 29, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    On Saturday, July 26,2008 I visited Agape Christian Ministries here in Houston, TX via invitation of a friend that attends this ministry in Austin. The Bishop has two churches in Austin and stated that the Lord told him to come to Houston to start another church. So they travel every Saturday to Houston to have services. Of course you have to be part of the faithful 400 to pledge $50.00 per month to pay for the building and its up keep. There were not 400 there on Saturday, so can you just imagine how the poor sheeple are being taxed. But wait, that’s not the good part, he stood up and said that he just got back from the affirmation of the great Apostle KC and how they were just placing money at this man’s feet. He said I couldn’t do what some of the Pastors gave I could give my $1000-$2000 while others were gave $100,000 all of KC’s son pimps. In all they gave this pimp $1.4 million dollars! He told us how Pimp KC told them that everyone thinks he got this over night but it didn’t happen like that, he got all of his through you guessed it, tithing and giving! Then he had the gall to say that’s why he needed a plane because he and his wife missed there flight for having to stand in the long security line. I leaned over and told my friend, oh no we’re in the wrong place, another “Pulpit Pimp”. I just don’t get it, you are Pastoring two churches with over 4000 members why in the world would there be a need to come to the 4th largest city in the nation where there is a church on every conrner and KingPin Pulpit Pimps here, so he see the need to get more money. They are all going to rot in hell for lies they tell! Needless to say, I won’t be going back! I thank God for you Speaking Truth and others that call out such Pimps!

  20. 25 lem August 18, 2008 at 2:15 am

    You wrote…
    Paul clearly told the church at Ephesus that Jesus gave “some as apostles…for the equipping of the saints…until we all attain unity of the faith”. So the question now becomes

    “if we all haven’t attained the unity in the faith that Paul spoke of, isn’t the apostolic office still open?”

    If I tell you I am going to give you a carpenter, electrician, plumber, and landscaper to help you build your house until it is acceptable.

    “so the question now becomes” – Would you ask during the process of building the house

    “if we haven’t finished the house yet, doesn’t that show that we don’t need a plumber?”

    Confusing Please explain…

  21. 26 speaking truth August 18, 2008 at 3:01 pm


    I’d be happy to elaborate on my original point. I was asking a hypothetical question when I asked if the “apostolic office” was still “open”. I went on to answer my hypothetical question with scriptural reference:

    If we go Ephesians 2, we see Paul clear write that it was one of the foundational offices (my emphasis in bold):

    Ephesians 2:19-22 (New American Standard Bible)

    19 So then you are no longer (A)strangers and aliens, but you are (B)fellow citizens with the saints, and are of (C)God’s household,

    20 having been (D)built on (E)the foundation of (F)the apostles and prophets, (G)Christ Jesus Himself being the (H)corner stone,

    21 (I)in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into (J)a holy temple in the Lord,

    22 in whom you also are being (K)built together into a (L)dwelling of God in the Spirit.

    So, we see that Paul FIRST STATES that the Apostolic office is a foundational office (in Eph. 2), then he explains the purpose (Eph 4). So does that mean that the work of the ministry is complete? Absolutely not! In fact, as we look at the apostasy that is strangling the church, we need the REAL GOSPEL preached more and more – but that IS NOT a justifiable argument that there are modern day apostles.


    Bottom line – I don’t believe in calling people “apostle” but I do believe that every believer has been tasked with doing the work of an apostle – spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

  22. 27 Honestone January 27, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Jesus told the Pharisee, “He who blasphemes the son of man shall be forgiven, but he who blasphemes the Holy Ghost shall never be forgiven in this life or the next,” If fred Price has the Holy Ghost, and you are slandering the work he is doing for Christ, and only God will judge his works, Keep your unruly of evil in your mouth. Remember, religious leaders became upset when Christ broke theri customs and manners not the law. When Christ return will you reject him, if he comes in the form of a mega minister with a mega church? teaching royalty in the midst of a economical and world crises?

  23. 28 speaking truth January 27, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Please excuse my directness, Honestone but I must ask:

    Are you nuts?


    You want me to keep my “unruly of evil” mouth (whatever that means) off of a liar, degenerate pulpit pimp who fleeces God’s people by promising them that they are equal to God and can “command God” to do things on their behalf?

    Again – are you serious?

    Why don’t you read the post again – slowly this time – and have an open bible next to you. This statement really makes me shake my head in amazement:

    When Christ return will you reject him, if he comes in the form of a mega minister with a mega church? teaching royalty in the midst of a economical and world crises?


    Yup – Jesus was world famous for his Bently, private plane, huge mansion and salary, and opulent lifestyle – just like Pimp Freddie. You keep waiting for your “jesus” to show up preaching about the virtues of wealth and prosperity, and I’ll keep pointing people to Jesus – the Only Son of God – who brought us back to His Father through His shed blood.

  24. 29 Ralph February 23, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    My question to Dr. Price, et al, is why? Why is it necessary for you to be called “Apostle”? I know Paul did, but I think it’s because his credentials were questioned by others who were followers of Peter. I think he answered his critics by putting his credentials along side the other Apostles to show them he did everything they did. What was different about Paul was he quickly followed up his comparison with the statement “I am nothing.”

    With all due respect to Dr. Price, he is a spiritual midget compared to Paul, so why is a title of such stature so important to him? Just asking.

    • 30 speaking truth February 23, 2009 at 9:08 pm


      With all due respect to real midgets, Fred Price is a degenerate hustler and a liar who couldn’t exegete his way out of a wet/torn paper bag.

      Your comment is spot on – when compared to real Apostles who suffered and died for the Gospel, these hirelings/hustlers are a joke.

  25. 31 Sherry Lee February 25, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    I am in agreement with one of the other posters. When I was a believing member of the “Word Faith” false church, I couldn’t stand Fred Price.

    Nor do I believe for one minute God has appointed him as a Apostle. Nor do I believe that Bill Hamon, Chuck Pirece, John Kilpatrick Or the C. Peter Wagner gang or anything but false, false, false.

    I have been attening church with my daughter-in-law lately. They call their pastor Bishop. I have been wanting to ask him, how did you recieve that title? But I do not want to be labled a troublemaker.

    Sir: Can you tell me how does one become a Bishop?

    Sherry Lee

  26. 33 Sherry Lee February 25, 2009 at 7:33 pm


    Hahahaha :~)
    Yes, I did notice (READ ABOVE POST THAT) you are now an apostle.
    Congratulation by-the-way!

    All joking aside, thanks for your reply. Been reading here a while just never posted.

    Sherry Lee

  27. 34 escapeetoo February 25, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    I do not think any of these Pulpit Pimps have the courage to be an apostle. Last time I read Acts and the Pauline Epistles the job of an Apostle was extremely dangerous and did not “Pay” a great deal of money. In addition, the position required self denial and true humility.

    If people would take another look at these Self Proclaimed Apostles they would see right through the mess. Warning Club Hustle & Flow” your Club Owner is close to becoming a self proclaimed apostle.

  28. 35 Sherry Lee February 26, 2009 at 11:52 am

    I forgot to say…….

    Daughter-in-law’s pastor has to be a self appointed Bishop. Now that you’ve told me how one gets such a title.

    It is not a Catholic church, no way, shape, or form. It is kinda one of them made-up-as-you-go churches. NON-DENOMATION. Church is Pastors full time job, Pastor owns church/sheep pay for pastor owned church.

    Charismatic/Word Faith/penacostal/everybody’s gonna have a ministry one day type church. It is always full on Sunday’s. As I have begun steping out a little saying goodmorning how are you? (People are very cautious of the newbe) I feel they are afraid of losing their positions. Since I seek none, nor do I want one in their confussing world, people are begining to respond a little to my genuine smile. I have learned most were raised on the wrong side of the tracks, poor, beaten down, rejcted growing up. (Many, many seeking deliverences for addictions, many, many who are now clean who started addicted. And I pray they stay clean the rest of their lives. Lasting fruit.)So the false prophecies feed their need for importance, acceptances. That is why when new people come in they feel threatened I suppose.

    After the service is over no way can a person get to the Pastor to introduce themselves and shake hands. There is a crowd of church people flocking around him like little puppies yapping at his legs wanting a pat on the head, seeking approval. After my first try I have never tried again. I don’t need a pat on the head, or his approval. Let those that need that recieve. And I say that with a very loving heart. A heart that needs that is truly been terribly rejected by the world.

    I know what your thinging…….
    My thoughts also. Pastor needs to point them to Jesus. One who promises,”I will in no way turn you away or reject you.”

    It helps/and hurts that there is a little old lady that has been attending there for years and years that I went to church with years ago. She, I’m sure has (helped me & hurt me) among the people.

    How did she hurt me? She is a dear sweet little lady. Poor as a church mouse. Lives in Sub-standard housing, half the rent paid by the Govt. I used to give her rides home from church years ago. I always wondered if I’d have 4 tires left on my car when I finished walking her to the door. (I do have to say. That was nearly 20 years ago. At the time she needed a walker to walk, was a terrible alcoholic. One night the preacher called her out. She was healed and delivered that very night. Since that night she gave away her walker and has never drank anothr drop of alcohol! Praise God!) The Lord God still works miricles today! She is now 76 years old and looks better than she did 20 years ago health wise.

    During the years we churched together we were at one of them christamic/prophet churches. I was pulled-out and given glowing false prophecies during that era of my life. I think she believed the prophecies.

    WE being human beings that we are, it made her feel special (just a little) to tell all her friends about our past church years and all she knew about me. hahahah

    Thanks for letting me ramble,
    Sherry Lee

  29. 36 MoniOlive March 2, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    I was beyond baffled at this news. I got a newsletter from CCC stating he was now an Apostle and of course asking me for a donation to CCC to help with his apostolic duties….I havent given to CCC in years and yet I still get this stuff. I tried giving his teaching a chance but the more I heard, the more the Spirit in me said no. There is no formula for prayer to God, no steps to mmanipulate my Lord and Savior, no amount of good deeds, no amount of tithes, no amt of offering that will ever be able to BUY God or “force His hand”…..I see his son is now following in his footsteps. He has even gotten Fred Price’s walk down, his mannerisms down etc. His son did a whole show responding to “What Color Was Jesus”..It was totally ridiculous. I often wonder what do unsaved people on the verge of making Jesus their Lord and Savior really think when they tune in to Paula White, Price, Dollar, Hilliard? Where is Jesus in their teachings? What is He to them? How many times do you hear any of these people preach the Cross, the resurrection, the age of Grace? WOF equates to “What I Can Get God To Do For Me”. When have you ever heard a series from them on salvation? Not salvation + give me all your money + dont do ABC + dont say this or that….Purely salvation by the blood of Jesus Christ who was God and is God, who resurrected on the third day? At Easter? Try again. Even Easter has turned into a chance to extort funds.
    Price like the other WOF try to mix Grace and Law and send people into and infinite loop. Oh yes there is grace but only if you tithe and buy my tapes and come to my conferences…Where is Jesus in this? Where is our Savior in any of this?What has happened to the Gospel? What has happened to saving souls by teaching the mercies of God as Paul stated?I look at the housing crisis. So many are quick to blame everyone but the church! The church has taught God wants everyone to have a mansion and drive a Bentley. Just believe. Church folk went right out and got these houses they could not afford because they’re taught oh God will throw money f/the sky to help u afford it. Folks bought into the idea that if my house isnt the biggest and if my car isnt the best, then I must not have faith. Thats all we’ve heard for the past 30 years from these prosperity teachers. And how many of them have to fall in front of us before we get a clue? How many tricks will we allow them to pull out of their bag before we ask “Where is Christ in any of this?”….Would Jesus be teaching what they teach? Would Jesus pull out all stops to be on tv? To obtain a title? I would like to think the blinders are coming off as people realize these teachings are not biblical for this grace age dispensation we are blessed to live in. Ive read many posts of people whose eyes are being opened and who are no longer willing to trust w/no discernment of their own. It is amazing what happens when you read the Bible for yourself.

    • 37 Johnny March 7, 2010 at 4:06 am

      MoniOlive, very well said… One must always be asking “Where is Jesus in all of this?” or one must conclude ” I don’t see Jesus in all of this mess!”

      God Bless!

  30. 38 Questioning MOTIVE Guy April 5, 2009 at 9:30 am

    Questioning MOTIVE Guy

    I am searching for truth, I believe the Gospel message is a balance meal! Not just one emphasis only or on one aspect only but a complete understanding of “What God’s Word says” about many subjects such as spiritual growth, prosperity,faith teaching, healing, obedience, repentance of sin, salvation, the redemptive work,Baptism,Communion, forgiveness,instruments of deception by the devil, Heaven and Hell, everlasting life, missions, disciples, saving souls and the suffering way ect…
    I do know that:

    John 3:17 says For God did not send the Son into the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, but that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him.

    And in Matthew 7
    1DO NOT judge and criticize and condemn others, so that you may not be judged and criticized and condemned yourselves.

    Galatians 6:1
    Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

    1 John 4:20
    If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
    Are we focused on the will of God for our lives, or distracted by others?

    • 39 speaking truth April 6, 2009 at 2:05 pm

      I don’t quite know the crux of your question, especially as it relates to Fred Price, Questioning Motive Guy, but my only motive is to advance the pursuit of the Word of God. In doing so, the truth of God’s Word will expose those who purport to be followers and teachers of it, but are secretly wolves feasting on the sheep – like Fred Price and others.

      This man no any other living man are apostles. Period. And yes, I am judging Fred and others using the standard of the whole Word of God. That is my only motive.

  31. 40 MikeyA April 15, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    To those who think this blog is judging Fred Price in a negative way, you are absolutely right. And he should be. All like him should be.

    The apostle Paul was not bashful to name names of those who spoke error in the church. In 1TIMOTHY 1:18-20 Paul writes, “Timothy, my son, I give you this instruction in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by following them you may fight the good fight, holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith. Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.”

    A big problem with modern-day evangelical church leaders is that have whimped out of calling something what it really is. They don’t want to “offend” anybody. They want to be “nice” so they can continue to rake in the $$$. But Jesus in JOHN 7:24 does tell us to make a righteous judgment. Righteous judgments are judgments based on Scripture. That’s how Jesus always judged in the gospels, that’s how He judges now, and that’s how He will judge in the future. By His Word and His Word alone. Jesus was not concerned about the $$$.

    As a pastor it is my responsibilty to protect the sheep God has given me in my congregation. Not sharing the false teachings of people like Price and Dollar (ever notice they both have $$$ in their names?) with my people is not what a loving pastor would do. They need to be aware of the wolves because the wolves are many.

    I have great respect for the author of this blog and for his stand on the truth. Pulpits need to be filled with more people like him. If they were, more people would be hearing TRUTH and blogs like this would never exist.

    … MikeyA

  32. 42 what is this?? April 30, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    This is why i choose not to play apart with the church!! I have read nothing but negative post!! Who knows whos right?? No one has reached me to show me whats diffirent from the church and the world..

  33. 43 escapeetoo April 30, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    What Is This,

    Only through the Holy Spirit can one really discern the word of God. Unfortunatley false teachers cloud the minds of some believers. Don’t give up on the church or The Kingdom of God, for the church and the kingdom reside in YOU

  34. 44 what is this?? April 30, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    I need to see unity!! The church is so divided with alot of diffirent views.. Where is the love?? I dont listen to Apostles, Bishops, Pastors etc.. because i can never find common ground with all these diffirent opinions of the word of God! I have been looking for answers for years, but every direction i turn, there just seems to be so much division.. I want to feel the Love of God again.. What are we gone do church?? What are we gone do!! I need love!!

    • 45 speaking truth April 30, 2009 at 6:40 pm

      I understand your plea for unity, what is this?, but unity for the sake of “peace” is no goal at all. The only common ground we are supposed to have is the foundational Word of God – directly from His Word. When false teachers (like Price and others) distort the Word of God, they essentially lie on God – making a mockery of His Word. As Christians, we are called to contend (or fight for) the faith delivered to us through Christ (Jude 1:3). God is judging those who claim to speak on His behalf – and it’s starting in the church (1 Peter 4:17). I understand your desire for love, but it can only come from God through His unfiltered/unadulterated Word, and not the mouths of liars.

      My prayer is that you get into your Word and find a church and pastor who teaches and preaches sound doctrine. Fellowship with others who are passionate for the truth of God – stay before Him in prayer…and He will fill your heart with His joy. Don’t be discouraged because Chrsitians are pulling the curtains back on imposters – rejoice that the Word of God is being performed before your eyes.

      Our redemption draws near…

  35. 46 what is this?? April 30, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    My major concern is that i read in the bible, Therefore thou art inexcusable o man whosoever thou art that judgest: for when you judge another, you condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.. Romans 2… I understand the frustration of many (even mine) but its not only towards (False Teachers) which i do believe God will take care of on the day of judgement, but its also towards the lack of unity. The bible says we know in part, and prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. Now abides faith, hope and LOVE, these three; but the greatest if these is Love.. I have faith (in God) i need hope but what i dont see is the Love of God in his people.. God gave us everything he had when He gave his son, after that we have just been so divided.. Please help me understand!!

    • 47 speaking truth May 1, 2009 at 9:04 am

      Again, I understand your perspective what is this? but we are called to judge righteously by the fruit that is grown from out lives. Paul does exhort the gift of love in 1 Corinthians 13 (as you stated v.13 in your comment). We must look at love in totality, and recognize that love “does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth… (1 Corinthians 13:6). True love exposes error – especially when the error is intentional. True love tells the truth, and the truth is that false teachers lead the sheep away from the True Shepherd and staisfy their own desires. Theologian Albert Mohler wrote an excellent article entitled “No Truth Without Love, No Love Without Truth”. The article speaks specifically about how to deal with homosexuality, but the implications can be applied to confrontation of sin in general. I agree that there should be more compassionate dialogue overall with those who follow false teachers – and I will do better, but the truth must be given in all instances…and sometimes the truth hurts.

      In the 10th chapter of Matthew, Jesus established clear instructions for His disciples as He sent them to preach His Gospel. In verses 16-27 He details how they will encounter those who will persecute them for telling His truth. He is explicitly clear when He says:

      Matthew 10:34-38 (New American Standard Bible)

      34″(A)Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.



      37″(D)He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.

      38″And (E)he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

      Clearly Jesus isn’t advocating that we form no loving relationships with friends and family, but He is saying that our love for Him will be evident in our pursuit of Him – and that is what I and others who contend for the faith do: our love for Him and His Word makes us chase after Him. Further, our love for His children makes us expose the error of the false teachers that they submit to. All I and others can do is present the Gospel and expose God’s enemies – the truth can either be accepted or rejected, the Lord’s will be done.

  36. 48 what is this?? May 1, 2009 at 11:11 am

    I realize that you get alot of negative feed from people.. Please note that it is not my intention to do that.. I just really need a good understanding.

    You gave every scripture but the one I put in Romans 2 about judging.. Can you please explain that one to me? Also in 1 Corinthians- we know in part and prophesy in part. My question is what make your interpertation of the scripture true.. I know the bible says to study to show thyself…… but believe it or not, you reach alot of people with this site so tell me whats diffirent about you than all the other (pimps?) Maybe i cant get a good understanding because i stop going to church because of the division..

    Please help!!

    • 49 speaking truth May 1, 2009 at 12:14 pm

      I don’t consider our discourse negative at all, what is this? – and I don’t think that it is your intention to give negative feedback. You’re expressing your opinion.

      Regarding judgement – specifically as you referenced in Romans 2, Paul warned the Jews and Gentiles about judging behavior that they themselves participated in – thus making them hyprocrites (emphasis added):

      Romans 2 (New American Standard Bible)

      1Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.

      2And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things.

      3But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?

      4Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

      5But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,


      7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;

      8but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

      9There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,

      10but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

      11For there is no partiality with God.

      The purpose of righteous judgement is to expose evil as it stands in stark contrast to the Word of God, then call for repentance. As God is the Ultimate Judge, He will render His judgement in finality. I have called for repentence for Price and other false teachers after I have judged their ungodly behavior and theology. I am not accusing anyone of doing something that I engage in myself. For example, calling out “adulterers” if I were an adulterer myself…that’s unrighteous judgement and that would be casting judgement on someone who does the same as me – as Paul states in his letter. The corresponding action to righteous judgement ir repentence of sin before the Lord. If there is no repentence then there is God’s final judgement. I and others do not cast final judgement on anyone – we call out sin and rigtheously judge on deeds as they stand currently.

      I do not prophesy – I merely read and share God’s Word as it is written. I use various references to get a picture of scripture in context, but I am certainly no prophet. The difference between me and the pimps and false teachers is that I have no personal agenda – I simply point people directly to God through His Son Jesus and His Word. I don’t collect ANY offerings, I don’t sell ANYTHING, I am not trying to woo people to “my church”, I am not seeking popularity from men – I am simply speaking God’s truth. This is not an issue of me being right – I’m just a chaser of God – this is about Him being right and true.

      Again, pray to God for guidance directly. Seek the counsel of the Holy Spirit – God knows where you are and what you need. Chase Him (through prayer and study of His Word – and look for sound study tools to help you aid in His truth). Don’t give up on the assembling of the saints as a whole – just pray to be led to an assembly where the bible is taught without compromise.

  37. 50 what is this?? May 1, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Thank you so much.. I will continue to seek God.. When its all said and done, God will get the glory in my life.. This is just a time for alot of questions for me.. I noticed on one of your pages, that you were a member of “Pulpit Pimp” what church did you attend?? Are you a pastor now?? What should i look for in a pastor and church.. I know i have to be led by God, but is there any advise you can give??


    • 51 speaking truth May 1, 2009 at 4:18 pm

      Glory to God, what is this?? – the goal of our lives should be to seek God, so you are certainly moving in the right direction. I am not a pastor or minister, just a man digesting as much sound biblical doctrine as I can in these last days. I am a former member of New Birth South (now Higher Living Christian Church) and I am praying that my former pastor repents of his false teachings and returns to the Lord.

      Regarding what to look for in a church home, I embrace Reformed Theology so I like Mark Dever’s “9 Marks of a Healthy Church” as a guide to seeking sound teaching and doctrine. Dever also has a church search function on his site (of churches that fit the “9 Marks”), but I have only visited a few of them here in the metro-Atlanta area so I can’t speak for others. All in all, it’s going to take basic investigation – visit churches as the Lord leads and listen to the preaching and teaching. Compare it to what God says and determine if they’re on or off course, then visit others and do the same. It takes effort but it’s well worth it.

      I will certainly keep you in my prayers…

  38. 52 Dwayne September 6, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Wow, who needs wolves when the sheep rip each other apart. It is one thing to disagree with the Man’s teachings or lifestyle; it is another thing to belittle him and damn him to hell. last I checked, God was the only one who controlled the keys to hell and the grave. Cut out all the slander, disagree in love and honor God.

  39. 53 speaking truth September 8, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    No one is slandering Price, Dwayne, especially when you study the definition of the word. Further, no one is “damning him to hell”. I belittle his “teachings” because they are a false gospel – woefully theologically bankrupt when compared to the Word of God.

    If people want to follow liars like Price and others, then the Lord’s will be done. I won’t sit by and NOT defend the Gospel against apostasy, no matter how tough the truth may be.

  40. 54 word November 9, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    well Mr speaking the truth, lets first get an understanding the scripture says in all thy getting lets get and understanding. im not particularly taking about apostle price but i am discussing the scripture.and im not arguing the scripture is good for said that there is no more apostles ok thats your view then you said where is the miracales well first of all in this dispensation not only the apostles shall do signs and wonders but we all shall according to the book of mark16;17 and these signs shall follow them that believe;in my name shall they cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues.and so on. so instead of asking what miracles apostle price perform the body of Christ has been guilty of not moving in the power of God. now sir dont get me wrong its a lot of things i dont agree with concerning some folk but the scripture is solid.the church now have aform of godliness and denying the power of. so my point is its not about us but its about jesus. and love covers a multitude of sin now who can cast the first stone. shalom

    • 55 speaking truth November 9, 2009 at 7:59 pm

      You are correct, word – scripture is indeed solid, and God’s Word needs no ammendments from men (and women) seeking titles to make themselves even more lofty than those who follow them. Scripture does not contradicts itself, and in this matter neither do I. This has nothing to do about “casting the first stone” or “love covering sin” – this is about a wolf who has given himself a new title.

  41. 56 Darss December 26, 2009 at 1:21 am

    Most of the comments on here are pathetic! “SPEAKING TRUTH” ????You are so uninformed, it’s not funny! When it comes to Fred Price, you couldn’t have distorted his teaching more if you hired someone to help you! Shame on you, I can only assume you are not born again, because born again people don’t lie about their brothers in the Lord. Who made you judge and jury over Fred Price? He does not teach that we order God around! Lies! And if you can pull your head out of your rear end, and read Psalm 82:6, you’ll see that Jesus, who you claim is your LORD, quoted this very scripture to the pharisees in John 10:34 -Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Who do you think he was referring to oh wise one? Get a life, you are going to be accountable for all this hate you spread via the internet, as will Fred Price for whatever mistakes he’s made. So far, he’s doing far better at being an example of Jesus than you are. All the people that have lied about him, he fears God too much to mention their name publicly, unlike you. You could learn something. Usually people like you, are not teachable, just opinionated, how sad.

  42. 58 Andre January 24, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Im really dissapointed in Dr Price, i have been watching him for many years, ( 20 ) that was when his gospel was a full hour long and he wore normal suits, now his sermon is only 40 mins long out of a hour and he his wife and son is busy selling gods word on tv, its really sad because he has a great sermon , but his $5000.00 suits and him bragging about his bentleys and constinly selling gods word has in my oppenion gone down the wrong road,, jesus Christ preached for free, wore normal cloths, what would he drive? now he’s not a Dr but an apostle? I wish he would wake up and smell the coffee.

  43. 59 Lewis February 11, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Well it’s good to know what the haters are up too.

    U N I T Y

  44. 60 ready4change February 12, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Brother Lewis,

    I do not know exactly what you mean by unity…Read Matthew 10:32-39, then ask yourself these questions:

    -What is Jesus’ definition of unity?
    -As I look at the manner in which Fred Price teaches, preaches and displays what he assumes to be “christianity”, is he really “losing his life for Christ’s sake so that he might find it”?
    -Does Price teach the gospel from the scriptures that pricks men’s hearts and causes them to “take up their cross” and follow Jesus?
    -If Price is not really fulfilling this, then can I really have “unity” with him?

    Be careful how you answer…


  45. 61 Just Reading March 4, 2010 at 10:24 am

    I read the post and some of the comments and the only thing I can think to say is; where is the Body edified in any of this? Whether Mr. Price is or isn’t an Apostle seems irrelavant to me compared to the damage being done to the church when unbelievers read all of this. This stuff makes us look even more divided than we are.

    I learned a few years ago that it doesn’t help when we ‘dog’ eachother wihin the Body…it just makes us look bad. Funny thing…one can use Ephesians 4 to tear down Mr. Price’s ministry and to hold a mirror up to this blog: “15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head–Christ– 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.”

    Are we doing this? Are we “speaking the truth in love…”? Are we truly edifying when we make fun of this guy? I think prayer should be our focal point when it comes to Mr. Price and EIFM, not accusation and slander. If this brother is a false teacher or prophet, we have no control over it any way, he’s been quite prosperous (financially & ministerially) despite his critics! So what do our blogs and web-pages do to really put a dent into his agenda…? NOTHING!

    Let it go ya’ll and lets all focus our efforts on winning over those who don’t know Him.

    Peace and love to all,

    Just Reading

    • 62 speaking truth March 7, 2010 at 9:08 am

      Just Reading (and all those who either defend Fred Price or question this blog in exposing him),

      The point of it all is to expose a false teacher – whether it reduces his influence (or ill-gotten gains) is the Lord’s will. Still, true Christians (and those who want to know Christ – the REAL Christ and not the slot machine/puppet that Fred and others try to cast) need to know the difference between the REAL and counterfeit.

      I’d rather expose a liar and keep the naive away from him than try to win them back once Fred (and those like him) have deceived them and driven them completely away.

  46. 63 streetpreacher March 14, 2010 at 3:35 pm


  47. 64 streetpreacher March 14, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    WHEN DOES AN IVNDIVIDUAL BECOME PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST? I venture to say, nobody answers this question!

  48. 65 LetGod'sLovePrevail March 21, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    I pray that somebody gets saved through all of this. Satan uses everything he can to keep people away from the saving grace of Jesus Christ. Whether we believe Fred is right or wrong isn’t the matter here. The matter is if a person gets saved and follows a false prophet God will bring him to the Light (Jesus). He said if we seek Him with our whole heart we will find Him. Come on people, judges, christians, hypocrites. Your excuse to trying to expose the unreal is really unreal. I can’t believe you are so naive to think that this isn’t doing more harm than good. Leave it to the Lord just by praying and turning it over to Him.

  49. 66 Keith April 2, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    I truly agree with you “LetGod’sLovePrevail.” I think we get caught up in other things despite what God has commissioned us to do which is to make disciples. We need to be more concerned about saving souls rather than exposing those who have lost there way. The bible clear outlines this in Hebrews 6, with an emphasis on verses 4-6. The bible clearly states that it is pretty much impossible to win those back who once knew the truth and allowed false teaching to sway them away.

    “Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,[a] and of faith in God, 2instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And God permitting, we will do so.

    4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because[b]to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.” Hebrews 6: 1-6

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