The Black Value System Vs. The Bible

My previous post on Jeremiah Wright has drawn me into a bit of a political debate, so I thought this would be a great time to focus on the foundation of my argument that Black Liberation Theology (BLT) is a different gospel (Galatians 1:6-8).

Again, this is not a political blog, and I am not endorsing any candidate for President of the United States. I am merely taking a closer look at the theology of Jeremiah Wright – and his followers.

I know, I know – as a black man who strives to stand on sound scripture and rail against eisegesis of the Word of God from ANY PERSON OF ANY COLOR, I am an Uncle Tom, Oreo, sell out, etc.

Now that we’ve gotten that out of the way…BLT is a theology that grew out of the racial angst and injustice of the turbulent 60’s. One of the most well known proponents of BLT is James Cone – a man admired and frequently referenced by Jeremiah Wright.

Cone is an unimposing fellow in stature, but he’s got some interesting theories. As noted in his book “A Black Theology of Liberation” Cone defines BLT on page 27 as (my emphasis in bold):

Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

So…God is “OK” as long as He’s destroying our “white oppressors”, otherwise we should reject His love? I guess we should also ignore Proverbs 20:22, Proverbs 24:29, & Romans 12:19.

You can read further about Black Theology (a/k/a BLT) on your own, but I wanted to shine a little light on it in regards to it’s roots in the Black Value System (BVS) – a “black ethics” philosophy espoused by the Trinity United Church of Christ– JW’s former church.

Allow me to highlight some of the more outrageous tenets of the BVS (directly from Trinity UCC’s website) to show how off base this kind of racial alignment is in evangelizing the Gospel of Jesus Christ:

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981.

Dr. Manford Byrd, our brother in Christ, withstood the ravage of being denied his earned ascension to the number one position in the Chicago School System.  His dedication to the pursuit of excellence, despite systematic denials, has inspired the congregation of Trinity United Church of Christ.  Prayerfully, we have called upon the wisdom of all past generations of suffering Blacks for guidance in fashioning an instrument of Black self-determination, the Black Value System.

Beginning in 1982, an annual Black Value System – Educational Scholarship in the name of Dr. Byrd was instituted.  The first recipient of the Dr. Manford Byrd Award, which is given annually to the man or woman who best exemplifies the Black Value System, was our brother, Dr. Manford Byrd.

These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered.

So this value system that is rooted in BLT came about as the result of a workplace discrimination charge? How does this align with the teaching of salvation, repentance, and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ to the unsaved? Ahhh, this just applies to the unsaved black person…ok.

Commitment to God.  “The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

Give up “prayerful passivism…soldiers for black freedom”? I thought we were supposed to become soldiers of Jesus Christ (2 Timothy 2:2-4)?

Commitment to the Black Community.  The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community.

Commitment to the Black Family.  The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society. Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate.

As black Christians, our allegiance is to God through Jesus Christ, and our commitment is to evangelize His Word to a dying world – despite their color. So, are black Christians supposed to circle the wagons, board up your windows, and gather your black family near you in order to build enough strength to hate “whitey” and the other racists in our society?

I agree that each of us (black, white, and otherwise) have a responsibility to society at large, but c’mon. I don’t deny that racism still exists – that would be a stupid assertion. I grew up in a large urban city during the 70’s and 80’s, I’ve seen and been subjected to enough urban racism & violence than I care to remember. As a “developing person”, I didn’t get “warped” – I just knew (and know) that there are hateful, ignorant people in the world.

Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.”  Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.

Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:

  1. Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
  2. Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
  3. Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”
  4. So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method – the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.”  If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B.  And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.

Um, isn’t building a $1M home in a suburb that is 93% white the ultimate “pursuit of middleclassness”? 🙄

Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.

Scamming for tithes certainly has no color barrier 😆 I believe in supporting black business – and any other business that provides superior service for a reasonable price, but what does this have to do with salvation through Jesus Christ?

Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.

Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System.  To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.

So don’t pledge allegiance to God through the work of His Son Jesus Christ.

Instead, pledge allegiance to Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and any other black leader that embraces BVS – oh, and embrace it yourself too. Oh, and all of this is only for black people.

This is a despicable attempt (and a successful one in the minds of some) to make salvation through Christ the equivalent of a social justice movement. I have no problem with calling out injustice, but I DO HAVE A PROBLEM when the injustice supercedes the finished work of Christ – and is seen as more significant!

I also take issue that so many of my black brothers and sisters would subscribe to this flawed, deceptive, anti-christ “gospel” because it satisfies the lust of the flesh by aligning us by color instead of aligning us with the cross.

Paul relied solely on the Spirit of God in evangelizing the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 2). Why would you trust ANYBODY who relies on the Word of God AND the writings and philosophy of a nut job (James Cone) AND an angry exclusive value system?

I know that Trinity UCC is a church that deeply cares for and caters to the needs of their community – I’ve seen it up close. They minister to the social needs of their community, and they go over and above the call of duty in aid and assistance.

Matthew 7:15-23, however, explains the consequences of following false prophets and their teaching.

I pray that the members of TUCC (and those around the world that embrace the wicked BLT) renounce this wickedness, repent before the Lord Jesus Christ, and return to their First Love…

…not their First Black Love.

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25 Responses to “The Black Value System Vs. The Bible”


  1. 1 lavrai April 29, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    OK. Thank you very much for this brief overview of the BLT & BVS…about teaching black folk how to be the HNIC. Sorry, I just couldn’t help it w/ all those abbreviations. 🙂

    I see now that what the Rev. JW may actually stand for has nothing, it would appear, to do much with GOD and Jesus Christ and Salvation.

    Instead of a church, perhaps it should just be an organization…because right now it sounds like a cult.

    It’s great to be committed to the community and the underprivileged, oppressed and the casted aside…and I won’t argue that those descriptions fit the general black American population really well. BUT.

    As members of the Body of Christ Jesus, our community now includes whoever of whatever race the LORD brings into the fold. So as Christians, our first priority is to teach the Gospel…which knows no color, age, race, gender, location, etc.

    Whitey is not the devil (and I am so tempted to make a joke about the anti-Christ, but I won’t) and therefore not the enemy. Satan and his children are the enemy — and some of them are black, white, Asian, Hispanic, Latino, Native American, etc.

    As the LORD Jesus Christ said in Matthew 6:24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.”

    It has to be GOD all the way, and HE takes care of everything anyway when you put HIM first. But if you try to divide your devotion…it ain’t gonna work out too well.

    Thanks again, SpeakingTruth. And here’s GetReligion’s analysis of how the media’s been covering JW’s BLT: http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3454

    Peace.

  2. 2 Speaking Truth April 29, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Lavrai,

    Most people think that JW is just a passionate preacher, but the subject deserves exploration – especially since the world see’s JW as a black pastor, and therefore the representative for a race of people (I’m not stupid – I know the media is lazy and they wait for the next softball to come so they can hit it out of the park).

    His doctrine of BLT is dangerous, and it’s about as transparent as Saran Wrap – but if you just deal with the “edges” of it, then you can spin it as a “black slant on Christian evangelism”.

    It’s a dangerous heresy that will lead many to destruction if they don’t denounce it.

    And thanks for the heads-up on GetReligion…very interesting insight…

  3. 3 gcmwatch April 29, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    IST, you nailed this one. You should give a speech at the NPC.

    The “black church” isnt prophetic and neither is Jeremiah Wright. Their form of prophecy is self serving and as Jerry has demonstrated has a twist of violence in it. His silly behavior at the NPC demonstrated that he is no teacher of Christ but a foolish flesh led pimp.

    They always talk about speaking truth to power, but they cant speak truth to the hustlers, murderers and serial thieves in our OWN communities who continue to be the cause of skyrocketing black on black crime. Why dont they prophesy to that?

    They are attention whores, not prophets.

    All the so called liberation theologies are violence based. They hate true peace and true righteousness.

    I feel for Obama in some respects, but he in his own right (npi) harbors dangerous views.

  4. 4 Speaking Truth April 30, 2008 at 10:57 am

    I agree GCMW, you almost feel sorry for Obama because he’s catching it on all sides – Clinton x 2, McCain, the Republican Party, militant blacks and icons from the civil rights era, and now his own “spiritual mentor” (even though he denies he used the term to describe his relationship with JW).

    I say almost feel sorry because you also have to remember that Obama is a borderline Marxist who embraces abortion, homosexuality, universalism, etc.

    Lastly, if you ever see me speaking at the NPC then you know the apocalypse is upon us 😆

    I can hear the introduction now:

    “We have with us today, an anonymous blogger from suburban Atlanta…”

    Plus, I type because I can’t talk with the tape across my mouth (notice my avitar) 😀

  5. 5 gcmwatch April 30, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    LOL @ IST

    Okay Moses, whatever you say.
    🙂

  6. 6 Blessed April 30, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Not that this really matters in the long run, but it looks like Jeremiah Wright may have more white ancestry than Obama does.

    Could it be that JW became so pro-black to prove how black he really is? It’s not uncommon for our brothers and sisters who have the most evident “mixer” of blood to set out to prove themselves so they can be accepted into the “community.”

  7. 7 Speaking Truth April 30, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    @ Blessed,

    As a “light-skinned” brother myself, I’m certainly not in the position to determine who has more “White blood”, and (as you said) it doesn’t really matter at this point.

    Based on my own life experiences, it seems as though lots of us like to play our “militant” card when it’s most appropriate – I did it because as a younger man I thought that my former church was “alseep at the switch” while the community was sliding into hell.

    The bottom line remains the same – JW’s remarks, attitude, and inflated pride are deeply rooted in heretical doctrine that can (and does) cause many to fall away from the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    The fact that many in the media (and the blogosphere) are returning to the race issue is a clear indicator of the divisiveness of the flawed heretical BLT/BVS philosophy.

  8. 8 Uzza April 30, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Dear Brother:

    A prayer for you:

    ” Lord Jesus, I pray unto the Father on behalf of this brother and all that view his words. Lord, you know that he that is without sin should only be capable of casting a stone. Just as the action of old when they walked away, I ask that you place within their hearts to walk away from this. Lord you said that we can tell a tree by it’s fruit. Then Lord, we should be able to tell if Your Spirit exists. We should see love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, sef-control. I don’t know if this is what they are looking for in Brother Jereimiah and do not see, but Lord, You know! I know Lord that You tell us in Your Word that we are to be like You! Lord, You are Love! And Love is kind and Love suffers long. And it does not envy nor parade itself. It is not puffed up and do not behave rudely nor is it provoked. It does not think evilly nor rejoice in sin, it rejoices in the truth! Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things and endures all things. Help all of us Lord to be slow to speak and quick to listen, for You promised us that you would lead us into all truths through The Comforter. Help us Lord to not be so quick to condem, for the World does these things. You Lord, the fighter of our battles, will bring that which is in the dark unto the light! You Lord! Lord, my heart is sadden, for I read within these words, Your words mixes wth things that are not of You! I pray Lord that You will correct each of us and show us Your way! For Your way, Lord is not our way and Your thoughts are not our thoughts. Our test should be by the Spirit! and that Spirit is Christ! Help us to not condem, whom you do not condem, for Your wish is that none would be lost. I pray for You Holy Spirit to rain down upon our hearts and mind that we may know the Truth, then the truth will set us free! Only then will we be free indeed. In Jesus Name, Amen.

    I respectfully ask that you and each of the readers of this site, Wikipedia Brother James Hal Cone and read for yourself. My Brothers, God does not make mistakes! He appointed Jereimaih over that church in that neighbor! Who are we to cast judgement against him? Can any of us claim to be God and know that Jereimiah did not accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior? Did any of you look at his heart? I beg of you! If you are whom’s that you profess to belong, then do not act and re-act just as the people of Jerusalem did when a choice was offer to accept Jesus or Barabbas. Do not jump at condemnation! Please, my brothers and sisters.

  9. 9 Speaking Truth April 30, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    @ Uzza,

    Thanks for the prayer (I think).

    Clearly you are a proponent of BLT, thus your desire for all of us to read more about James Cone. I linked to his profile in Wikipedia, and I provided an Amazon.com link so that anyone interested in learning more about him and his philosophy could buy his book – not that I endorse it, but it’s a free country.

    Lord, you know that he that is without sin should only be capable of casting a stone. Just as the action of old when they walked away, I ask that you place within their hearts to walk away from this.

    Who is claiming to be without sin? Certainly not me. I know full well that I am a wretched man bound for hell without salvation through Jesus Christ and the grace of God – which I have. I will not walk away from exposing any false doctrine that seeks to corrupt the incorruptable Word of God – and that should be the goal of every Blood-bought believer (Jude 1:2-4).

    Lord you said that we can tell a tree by it’s fruit. Then Lord, we should be able to tell if Your Spirit exists. We should see love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, sef-control. I don’t know if this is what they are looking for in Brother Jereimiah and do not see, but Lord, You know!

    You’re right, we are to judge a tree by it’s fruit. The fruit that we see from JW and BLT is sectarian, racially charged, and a misrepresentation of the Word of God. Did JW look peaceful, gentle, self-controlled and kind when he petitioned God to “damn” America? Or when he preened at the National Press Club?

    I know Lord that You tell us in Your Word that we are to be like You! Lord, You are Love! And Love is kind and Love suffers long. And it does not envy nor parade itself. It is not puffed up and do not behave rudely nor is it provoked. It does not think evilly nor rejoice in sin, it rejoices in the truth! Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things and endures all things.

    One of the greatest cons in the faith is to toss out the phrase “God is Love” to repel debate. If you properly exegete 1 John , you’ll see that (1) God is Light and there is no darkness in Him (verse 1:5); (2) God is Righteous (chapter 3, verse 7); and (3) then, God is Love (chapter 4, verse 8).

    Going even further, 1 John 4:9-10 demonstrates God’s love for us – that He sent His only Begotten Son to satisfy our sin debt.

    So when properly exegeted, we see that God if first and foremost Light, then Righteous – removing all doubt of His Sovereignty…making His love apparent. When we see the extent of His love in sacrificing His Son for us, our response is to contend for the very Gospel that liberated us from sin!

    Help all of us Lord to be slow to speak and quick to listen, for You promised us that you would lead us into all truths through The Comforter. Help us Lord to not be so quick to condem, for the World does these things. You Lord, the fighter of our battles, will bring that which is in the dark unto the light! You Lord! Lord, my heart is sadden, for I read within these words, Your words mixes wth things that are not of You!

    Contrary to public opinion, I am slow to speak – and I back it up with the Word of God when I do. Is it not of God to condemn an enemy of His Word? If you read any of my posts on JW, you’ll see that I said that God is in control, and it is His Will that these heresies be spoken so that He can seperate the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:32-33)

    Also, did you pray that JW would let the Lord fight his battles instead of embracing a philosophy that seeks “the destruction of the white enemy”?

    Our test should be by the Spirit! and that Spirit is Christ! Help us to not condem, whom you do not condem, for Your wish is that none would be lost.

    We must condemn any doctrine that is contrary to the Word of God – if you profess that Word as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. While it’s God’s desire that none would be lost, that doesn’t mean that the entire world will accept His truth, and Jesus clearly states that in Matthew 7:15-27.

    I pray for You Holy Spirit to rain down upon our hearts and mind that we may know the Truth, then the truth will set us free!

    Amen! I also pray that the Holy Spirit will guide us into the truth of God and His Word – not some bastardized heretical version of it.

    Who are we to cast judgement against him? Can any of us claim to be God and know that Jereimiah did not accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior? Did any of you look at his heart?

    We who claim the Name of Jesus Christ are called to judge, especially if we’re judging behavior that we’re not also participating in ourselves (Matthew 7:1-6).

    Who said that JW didn’t accept Jesus as his Lord & Savior? I certainly didn’t, and acceptance upon the Lord does not disqualify heresy or doctrinal assualt. Matthew 12:33-35 helps us to know what’s in JW’s heart – by listening to him speak.

    You know, Uzza, instead of petitioning the Lord on my behalf so that we better understand Jeremiah Wright, petition the Lord to have mercy on JW – and pray that JW repents of this vile, dangerous, misleading doctrine and return to the Lord Jesus Christ.

    I’m not pious or haughty in my views on this subject – I’m siding with the Word of God.

  10. 10 gcmwatch May 1, 2008 at 9:32 am

    Did JW look peaceful, gentle, self-controlled and kind when he petitioned God to “damn” America?

    I couldnt help but to think that JW’s church (as well as the under attack black church he is so fond of), family and friends are all located… in America. Why is he wanting God to damn his own church and family? Perhaps it is just the unbridled foolishness of a fool who cant control his foolish tongue?

  11. 11 Speaking Truth May 1, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Perhaps it is just the unbridled foolishness of a fool who cant control his foolish tongue?

    😆

    Take it easy GCMW, you don’t want Uzza to come by your site and pray for you now…

  12. 12 gcmwatch May 1, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Well praise God the effectual, fervent prayers of the righteous availeth much. All others hit the roof and fall to the ground. 🙂 I’ll let him figure that one out lol.

    Hey IST, I couldnt help but post this here. I was searching for some contact info for a church and came across this 2002 article by JW on Black and Christian.com. Its interesting, this particular quote. I hope he doesnt do another NPC press conf and get me for this pull quote, but here it is…

    The Devil Comes to Church too
    The devil comes to church too. I tell the folks at my church all the time, “The devil aint got no other way of getting to church except we bring him” He came with this man in verse 23. Dont you know the Devil will ride in your BMW, ride in your Mercedes Benz, get on public transportation right along with you, and when you get inside the church, he’ll break out all over your congregation. And you’ll be wondering, “How did the devil get in the church?” He came with y’all. That’s how”

    True, JW. Very true.

  13. 13 Speaking Truth May 1, 2008 at 11:07 am

    I tell the folks at my church all the time, “The devil aint got no other way of getting to church except we bring him”

    😆

    He would know…

  14. 14 Uzza May 2, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    You Said:
    1. Thanks for the prayer (I think).
    Clearly you are a proponent of BLT, thus your desire for all of us to read more about James Cone. I linked to his profile in Wikipedia, and I provided an Amazon.com link so that anyone interested in learning more about him and his philosophy could buy his book – not that I endorse it, but it’s a free country.

    I am not a proponent of BLT or JW or Speaking Truth or any other man or woman. Love is a favorite to Love. The only reason that I referenced the Wikipedia is for each individual to read for themselves and not just rely on portions of an entire life history of an individual. Remember, Paul changed on the road to Damascus. I say that because in a section of wikipedia it seems to indicate that after writing the now infamous “Black Theology and Black Power” 1969, there are some changes or softening in theology around 1977. Believe me man, I did not know of BLT or James Cone.

    You referenced Jude 1: 2-4. Where in that passage does God tell us to expose anyone? What I see the Word telling Believers is to contend, earnestly for the faith. What faith? The faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. Here I reference 1 Timothy 6:12 “Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.” Yes! We are to contend (fight) but for the faith! Remember, Jesus said ye of little faith, if only you had the faith of a muster seed. If this person is as you have determined him to be, then all that God calls you to do is the put on the full armor! Stand and Stand! This BLT is not any different than Conservative in front of Christian! Paul said that he resolved to know nothing except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

    You said: “You’re right; we are to judge a tree by its fruit. The fruit that we see from JW and BLT is sectarian, racially charged, and a misrepresentation of the Word of God. Did JW look peaceful, gentle, self-controlled and kind when he petitioned God to “damn” America? Or when he preened at the National Press Club?

    My Brother God word does not say that we are to judge a tree, but that you can tell a tree by its fruit. You cannot tell fruit based on displays of anger or contempt, if that is the case, then had you seen Jesus in the temple turning over chairs, I wonder how you would judge him. Look at JW’s action as mockery of the media’s questions. Can a man of God mock? 1King 18:27 At noon Elijah began to taunt them. “Shout louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.”

    You say: One of the greatest cons in the faith is to toss out the phrase “God is Love” to repel debate. If you properly exegete 1 John , you’ll see that (1) God is Light and there is no darkness in Him (verse 1:5); (2) God is Righteous (chapter 3, verse 7); and (3) then, God is Love (chapter 4, verse 8). Going even further, 1 John 4:9-10 demonstrates God’s love for us – that He sent His only Begotten Son to satisfy our sin debt. So when properly exegeted, we see that God if first and foremost Light, then Righteous – removing all doubt of His Sovereignty…making His love apparent. When we see the extent of His love in sacrificing His Son for us, our response is to contend for the very Gospel that liberated us from sin!

    Take that same New Testament Book 1 John and look at:

    1 John 4:7-16
    7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 13We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.

    You are telling me that there is a order and because love is written after light and righteous that it is somehow ordered with less important or truth? How about let’s stay in that same book and read down a little futher.

    1 John 4: 19-21
    19We love because he first loved us. 20If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

    So what you are saying to me is that God is Love is a phrase, no, it is a fact! A Truth! It is God! Love is the hook that all the other commandments hang upon. My Brother, we are to contend (fight), but fight in the manner in which God’s Word instructed us to fight! We are to stand! The battle belongs to the Lord.

    You say: Contrary to public opinion, I am slow to speak – and I back it up with the Word of God when I do. Is it not of God to condemn an enemy of His Word? If you read any of my posts on JW, you’ll see that I said that God is in control, and it is His Will that these heresies be spoken so that He can seperate the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:32-33) Also, did you pray that JW would let the Lord fight his battles instead of embracing a philosophy that seeks “the destruction of the white enemy”?

    My Brother, show me where in God’s Word, He directs His Children to condemn anyone. Speak the Word of God, yes. In season and out of season.

    2 Timothy 4:1-4
    1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

    As a matter of record, I searched the word condemn within the NAS (New Testament Only) and quite to the contrary does God’s Word direct us concerning condemnation.

    Mt 12:41 – Show Context
    “The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment, and will condemn it because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.

    Mt 12:42 – Show Context
    “The Queen of the South will rise up with this generation at the judgment and will condemn it, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, something greater than Solomon is here.

    Mt 20:18 – Show Context
    “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem; and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and scribes, and they will condemn Him to death,

    Mr 10:33 – Show Context
    saying, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and will hand Him over to the Gentiles.

    Lu 6:37 – Show Context
    “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.

    Lu 11:31 – Show Context
    “The Queen of the South will rise up with the men of this generation at the judgment and condemn them, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, something greater than Solomon is here.

    Lu 11:32 – Show Context
    “The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.

    Joh 8:10 – Show Context
    Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?”

    Joh 8:11 – Show Context
    She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”]

    Ro 2:1 – Show Context
    Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.

    Ro 14:22 – Show Context
    The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

    2Co 7:3 – Show Context
    I do not speak to condemn you, for I have said before that you are in our hearts to die together and to live together.

    1Jo 3:21 – Show Context
    Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;

    My brother, I’m a Christian, now, if you can give me a statement with two witness, that JW said that he seeks the destruction of the white enemy and since you placed those words in quotes, those exact words must be heard by witness. How do you or I know weather or not the Lord sent JW to speak the words that were spoken. Have you inquired of the Lord? God is the Judge of JW and BLT and CC and you and me.

    You say:
    We must condemn any doctrine that is contrary to the Word of God – if you profess that Word as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. While it’s God’s desire that none would be lost, that doesn’t mean that the entire world will accept His truth, and Jesus clearly states that in Matthew 7:15-27.

    Well you know what the Word says about that word condemn. How can you say While it’s God’s desire and within the same statement say it does not mean what it says? So JW want accept the truth and therefore you are justified in condemning?

    You say:
    We who claim the Name of Jesus Christ are called to judge, especially if we’re judging behavior that we’re not also participating in ourselves (Matthew 7:1-6). Who said that JW didn’t accept Jesus as his Lord & Savior? I certainly didn’t, and acceptance upon the Lord does not disqualify heresy or doctrinal assualt. Matthew 1233-35 helps us to know what’s in JW’s heart – by listening to him speak. You know, Uzza, instead of petitioning the Lord on my behalf so that we better understand Jeremiah Wright, petition the Lord to have mercy on JW – and pray that JW repents of this vile, dangerous, misleading doctrine and return to the Lord Jesus Christ. I’m not pious or haughty in my views on this subject – I’m siding with the Word of God.

    My Brother! Does your bible say something different that mine? Matthew 7:1-6 “Matthew 7
    Judging Others
    1″Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3″Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. 6″Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

    I think the Word of the Lord says do NOT judge. and the rest of that scripture follows along the same lines as casting stones when it talks about the speckle and plank.

    Your reference to Matthew 12:33-35, I do not understand how that helps us to know what’s in JW’s heart? Oh! By listening to him speak. So, if Jesus came to this blog and started reading this is what he would hear being spoken:

    ****I also take issue that so many of my black brothers and sisters would subscribe to this flawed, deceptive, anti-christ “gospel” because it satisfies the lust of the flesh by aligning us by color instead of aligning us with the cross.

    *****The “black church” isn’t prophetic and neither is Jeremiah Wright. Their form of prophecy is self serving and as Jerry has demonstrated has a twist of violence in it. His silly behavior at the NPC demonstrated that he is no teacher of Christ but a foolish flesh led pimp. They always talk about speaking truth to power, but they cant speak truth to the hustlers, murderers and serial thieves in our OWN communities who continue to be the cause of skyrocketing black on black crime. Why don’t they prophesy to that? They are attention whores, not prophets.

    *****I say almost feel sorry because you also have to remember that Obama is a borderline Marxist who embraces abortion, homosexuality, universalism, etc.

    ******Not that this really matters in the long run, but it looks like Jeremiah Wright may have more white ancestry than Obama does. Could it be that JW became so pro-black to prove how black he really is? It’s not uncommon for our brothers and sisters who have the most evident “mixer” of blood to set out to prove themselves so they can be accepted into the “community.”

    ******I couldn’t help but to think that JW’s church (as well as the under attack black church he is so fond of), family and friends are all located… in America. Why is he wanting God to damn his own church and family? Perhaps it is just the unbridled foolishness of a fool who cant control his foolish tongue?

    ******Well praise God the effectual, fervent prayers of the righteous availeth much. All others hit the roof and fall to the ground. I’ll let him figure that one out lol.

    Brother Speaking Truth: Ok, I not here for a debate with you, why the Lord sent me to your site, He knows. I opened the Scriptures to see what the Lord wanted me to end this with, and Psalm 19 appeared on the pages:

    Psalm 12
    For the director of music. According to sheminith . A psalm of David. [a]
    1 Help, LORD, for the godly are no more;
    the faithful have vanished from among men.

    2 Everyone lies to his neighbor;
    their flattering lips speak with deception.

    3 May the LORD cut off all flattering lips
    and every boastful tongue

    4 that says, “We will triumph with our tongues;
    we own our lips [b] —who is our master?”

    5 “Because of the oppression of the weak
    and the groaning of the needy,
    I will now arise,” says the LORD.
    “I will protect them from those who malign them.”

    6 And the words of the LORD are flawless,
    like silver refined in a furnace of clay,
    purified seven times.

    7 O LORD, you will keep us safe
    and protect us from such people forever.

    8 The wicked freely strut about
    when what is vile is honored among men.

  15. 15 gcmwatch May 3, 2008 at 10:58 am

    “You referenced Jude 1: 2-4. Where in that passage does God tell us to expose anyone? ”

    How about this one Uzza?

    Ephesians 5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[a] 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7Therefore do not be partners with them.

    8For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9(for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10and find out what pleases the Lord. 11Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

    Are you satisfied now?

  16. 16 Speaking Truth May 3, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    @GCWM

    You know pastor, I’m going to adhere to Proverbs 14:6-8, ignore Uzza, and just talk with you.

    It’s clear he didn’t have anything to do last night, thus the doctoral thesis he left above…does he know that WordPress offers free blog space for him to rant at length?

    Just in case he (or any other JW sympathizer) comes back to defend the wicked Black Liberation Theology heresy and it’s offshoot racist Black Value System, I’ll restate the ideology/theology of James Cone – leader of the heretical movement (and esteemed in the eyes of Jeremiah Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ) from the videos “A Conversation with James Cone” and “Strange Fruit – The Cross and the Lynching Tree” :

    – Jesus was a victim of lynching

    – Black theology addresses white supremecy

    – Doubts that Scripture is the literal Word of God

    – Doesn’t feel that any religion has all truth

    – Whites can’t access salvation unless they pay reperations to blacks

    Uzza’s (or anyone elses) attempt at calling me on the carpet WILL NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT BLT IS A FALSE GOSPEL THAT WE WERE FOREWARNED TO REJECT, AND PASTORS WHO ADVANCE IT ARE FALSE TEACHERS…PERIOD!

    This blog ONLY exists to expose fales teachers and their false doctrine. If anyone has a problem with the methods that I use, then simply save your time, and keep it moving.

  17. 17 Speaking Truth May 4, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Uzza,

    I want to apologize for the way that I dismissed you in my comment to GCWM above.

    I don’t take back anything that I said then (or previously) about Jeremiah Wright or Black Liberation Theology/Black Value System, but I was wrong to lash out at you through my conversation with GCMW.

    As believers, we are called to judge a tree by it’s fruit – and the fruit of BLT is wicked. We are also called to condemn false teachers and their false doctrines (as referenced by GCMW). If you disagree, then, well, so be it.

    Again, I DON’T apologize for my thoughts on the matter, nor for my zeal in exposing those whom I believe are enemies of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    I just shouldn’t have taken my interactions with you so personally…

  18. 18 Uzza May 5, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Speaking Truth,

    I like verses 12 – 19 within that same book of Proverbs. I find it quite interesting, the tone and purpose. The exposing occurred through the media. BLT and JW were exposed through the media. So what is being exposed here? You accuse me of being something that I replied that I was not. Nothing in my writhing indicated a defense of any teaching except Jesus Christ. I offered a prayer, because what I was reading within these messages was condemnation, judgement and lack of Love. Those things are left in the hands of the Lord. The reason that Iwrote a thesis, as you so heart felt described my writings. One fellow Brother in Christ, attempting to share his thoughts on scripture.

    As for the Blogger GCMWatch: I replied to Speaking Truth concerning what the Spirt lead me to the meaning of the Scripture. You said “How about this one, Uzza?” I ask you “What about?” My Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus, you can expose and condem and do whatever your hearts desire. But if, you have not Love, it is nothing but noise! Dust my feet. May the Lord judge between you and me.

  19. 19 gcmwatch May 5, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Uzza, sorry but you only assume (erroneously) that exposure of false prophets is done without love. Just because you are against what the Bible says, doesnt mean that its not supposed to be done. It is the will of God. Even when SHOWN specifically the answer to your question, you created yet another escape hatch for yourself. If that’s not your call[ing], then move on and “love”.

    If the Spirit had truly lead you in your response, you would AGREE with the scripture, no matter who it comes from.

    It may be a good thing that you are moving on because you are starting to reveal uncomely parts of your belief system. PS: I would suggest that you keep the dust you brought in and take it with you.

  20. 20 Speaking Truth May 5, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    GCMW,

    You beat me to the punch – I was going to say that it is my love of God’s Word that provokes me to expose His enemies, but you were more elequent with your response.

    Uzza, I’ve apologized for my low tolerance of your cunundrums, but I’m tired of giving you any more space.

    I won’t entertain your comments here anymore – please don’t make me inaugarate my banned list, so as Pastor Foster said, take you dust with you and…well…keep it moving 🙄

  21. 21 Corin October 11, 2008 at 10:07 am

    Jesus stated, as recorded in Matthew ch7 v16

    “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?”

    Believers must exercise spiritual discernment and recognise the fruits. Furthermore, the fruits are not necessarily immediately apparent, and they will only appear in season (which in some cases may take many years).

    So be like the Bereans, searching the scriptures daily, and testing the doctrines of those who are teachers (true or false) by the Word of God.

  22. 22 Broken Pastor October 31, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    Wow. I need to read a little more broadly. Cone was never on any list for college or seminary…

  23. 23 Ron November 16, 2009 at 10:55 am

    God is not a color!–He is Spirit,and we must worship Him in spirit and in truth. Persecution comes upon ALL flesh! Regardless of color. You have a”black earth suit”,I have a “white earth suit”. Let’s quit looking at the color of our “TENTS” that we live in,and lets be about our Father’s business today,while its still call—-TODAY!
    Agape,Ron.


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