More Hack Exegesis…Courtesy of TBN

johnathan-alvarado

TBN (or The Baal Network, as I like to call it) is at it again.

The man pictured above is Bishop Johnathon Alvarado of Total Grace Christian Center here in Metro-Atlanta. Alvarado leads a congregation of over 5,000 members with various locations. Although Alvarado referred to himself as “an apostle” back in 2003 (because he was “planting churches”), he was consecrated as a Bishop within the past few years:

As the demand for covering and guidance from Bishop Alvarado grew, a collection of pastors wanted to further express their covenant relationship with him by forming an official fellowship.  In 2005, Bishop Alvarado was nominated by these pastors to the Office of Bishop for the newly founded Grace Fellowship of Churches and was officially consecrated for this office in June, 2006.

Alvarado is a very educated man, earning multiple degrees in Divinity and Theology from legitimate institutions. He and his wife (and co-pastor) Toni are candidates for Doctorates in Ministry, but both are officially classified as “ABD” – meaning they have completed all qualifications for their doctorates except the completion of dissertations, thus the term “All But Dissertation”. Interestingly, Alvarado’s wife refers to herself as “Dr. Toni”…not earthshattering, but an unnecessary half-truth nonetheless.

Alvarado graced the Atlanta studios of TBN April 14th, 2009 to expound on the importance of “spiritual fatherhood” in the Body of Christ. I find his “exegesis” to be so dangerous that I decided to inaugurate my Youtube page with my first video (please watch the entire video before commenting):

You’re “Dangerous” If You Only Hear From God?

Yes, you heard correctly: Alvarado asserts that Jesus’ ministry was only legitimized because He “submitted” to the “preeminent minister of the area” – John the Baptist. I know…I am equally as distressed as you should be right now. In fact, it has taken me 2 full days to write about it so that I could be sure that I am not speaking from my flesh, but by the Word of God. Please indulge me as I take a moment to seriously dissect this false teaching.

Last year, I took considerable time in detailing the fallacy of what many pastors consider “spiritual fatherhood” in today’s church. Beyond a system of transparent accountability, many pastors (and pulpit pimps) have set-up faux “covering ministries” that create patronage systems that help one another grow financially and in marketability.

I believe that Alvarado’s “sermonette” was a shot across the bow to those who have left their “spiritual fathers” in order to start their own ministries…particularly a certain former father/son relationship here in Metro-Atlanta. Alvarado began this interview quite soundly by detailing the affinity for “spiritual fathers” here in the ATL (and other areas), and his dismay with how so many people “jump around from father to father”. He even goes on to detail his relationship with his “father in the faith”, and I don’t have a problem (per se) with his reasoning, considering he’s had a relationship with the man since he was a child.

Around the 2:39 second mark, Alvarado begins to veer off the rails by shifting the discussion to “sonship” – quoting Malachi 4:5-6 out of context by declaring:

“…some of us are cursed in our lives, marriages, ministries, families because we won’t let our hearts be turned”

As I stated in a previous article about the lie of the tithe, Malachi is often misquoted/misunderstood/misrepresented when taken out of context. The entire book of Malachi is a pronouncement of judgement from God on disobedient priests (specifically in reference to priests “robbing God” of sacrificial offerings) and a disobedient nation (Israel – specifically in their continued disobedience andabuse of God’s grace). Here is the text as it appears in the bible:

Malachi 4:5-6 (New American Standard Bible)

 5“Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD.

 6“He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse.”

Further study of this passage of scripture details that God was specifically speaking of societal repentance, returning the hearts of a disobedient remnant to their God through (a foretelling of) His Son. This IS NOT a pronouncement of a curse over “sons” because they have left or been otherwise disobedient to their “fathers” – in any context. It is allegorical language that illustrates a state of falling away from God through disobedience.

Oh if only Alvarado had stopped there…

“…in Atlanta, everybody wants God to be their father and nobody else”

That’s right – everyone wants “God to be their Father” because that’s what God’s Word tell us is true (emphasis added):

Matthew 23:8-12 (New American Standard Bible) 

 8“But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers.

 9Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.

 10“Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.

 11“But the greatest among you shall be your servant.

 12“Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.

Of course, God wants you to call your biological father by his proper title, and He does not forbid us from even using titles as a sign of respect (1 Thessalonians 5:11-2; 1 Timothy 5:1). This scripture, however, specifically forbids us calling others by lofty spiritual titles that allows them to ascribe spiritual authority over us.

Alvarado goes on to dispute the rejection of “spiritual fathers” on the grounds that bastard “sons” will come and go as they please without a “fathers”:

“…because then, if they want to leave Bishop Alvarado’s church and go to Bishop Jackson’s church, then all they gotta say is ‘God told me’ (laughter)…I mean, come on, be fair with me – who can argue with that?”

Alvarado then goes on to use the story of Samuel and Eli as illustration that the young man wouldn’t have even known that God was speaking to him apart from his consultation with Eli (1 Samuel 3). Interestingly, Alvarado uses this portion of scripture to support his “sonship” theory, but he doesn’t use this book of scripture in validating why some “sons” flee the jealousy of their “fathers” in the first place.

God told Samuel of the judgement that would befall Eli (1 Samuel 31-35) because of Eli’s lack of fatherly oversight of his biological sons (1 Samuel 2:12-17). Samuel hesitated to reveal to Eli, his mentor, what God said concerning his fate – yet the old man reacted in a peculiar manner:

1 Samuel 3:16-18 (New American Standard Bible) 

 16Then Eli called Samuel and said, “Samuel, my son.” And he said, “Here I am.”

 17He said, “What is the word that He spoke to you? Please do not hide it from me. May God do so to you, and more also, if you hide anything from me of all the words that He spoke to you.”

 18So Samuel told him everything and hid nothing from him. And he said, “It is the LORD; let Him do what seems good to Him.”

So rather than curse his “spiritual son” for daring to tell him about the God that he introduced Samuel to in the first place, Eli acknowledged God’s report through Eli, and awaited his fate. How many “spiritual fathers” operating in pimpistries today would not rebuke Samuel for “daring” to speak for God? Not many. 

At this point, Alvarado expresses his concern “…about people that God’s the only one that can speak to them.” This retort is a common one among pulpit pimps. They get absolutely beside themselves when you tell them that “God told me to do…” something, ESPECIALLY if it is contrary to what that pimp wants you to do. Now, the same people who tell you that “you can be like God” and “speak those things that be not as though they were”(commonly misused and miss-appropriated elements of scripture) claim that you don’t have the authority or spiritual maturity to hear from God – that you have to hear Him through them.

Wow – you’ve gone from a “little god” to an immature clod in less than 60 seconds! And this has absolutely nothing to do with how many people misconstrue Romans 10:14; and I have commented before on the true exegesis of Romans 10:14-15. The intent of the text is clear – Paul specifically speaks to the importance of the verbal sharing of the Gospel, NOT that God will not speak but by a “preacher” or “sent teacher” alone.

So “Bishop” Alvarado now has to show his complete ignorance of the ministry and order of Christ:

“…does Jesus say ‘God told Me to start a church’? No. He goes down to John the Baptist, he was the leader of the day (the Bishop of that region)…He goes down to John the Baptist…Jesus said ‘if I want a legitimate ministry, I’ve got to submit Myself to the legitimate ministry of the day…if I want to be legit, I gotta sit under somebody who’s legit’

So, if I am to understand Alvarado correctly (and I’ve watched this video at least 15 times), Jesus – God in the flesh – had an illegitimate ministry UNTIL HE SUBMITTED to John the Baptist?

Is Alavarado drunk, crazy, or both? 

May God have mercy on him for ever uttering such crap! Let’s take a look at Jesus’ baptism by John the Baptist:

Matthew 3:13-17 (New American Standard Bible)

 13Then Jesus arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him. 14But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?”

 15But Jesus answering said to him, “Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he permitted Him.

 16After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,

 17and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”

Maybe I missed something ACROSS ALL 4 SYNOPTIC GOSPELS, but did scripture record Jesus’ submission to John the Baptist…ANYWHERE? Further, why didn’t we see Jesus “submit His ministry” to John the Baptist after this “revelation” – since Jesus CLEARLY relinquished His Godliness in order to now become the “spiritual son” of John the Baptist.

In Luke 7, John (who is now imprisoned and awaiting a beheading) sought Christ for an escape, but Jesus admonished him to not be offended by His works:

Luke 7:18-23 (New American Standard Bible) 

 18The disciples of John reported to him about all these things. 19Summoning two of his disciples, John sent them to the Lord, saying, “Are You the Expected One, or do we look for someone else?”

 20When the men came to Him, they said, “John the Baptist has sent us to You, to ask, ‘Are You the Expected One, or do we look for someone else?’”

 21At that very time He cured many people of diseases and afflictions and evil spirits; and He gave sight to many who were blind.

22And He answered and said to them, “Go and report to John what you have seen and heard: the BLIND RECEIVE SIGHT, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, the POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.  

23“Blessed is he who does not take offense at Me.”

 Why didn’t Jesus “save” His “spiritual father”? Isn’t this what “sons” are supposed to do, according to Alvarado and other proponents of a twisted “spiritual sonship”?

Alvarado goes on to describe the Ordo Salutis as a treaty of justifaction for the transfer of salvation through human hands:

“the Ordo Salutis…is the same translation from which we derive the word ‘order. It literally means the way in which our salvation is realized and fulfilled in the earth..and it’s always through the ministry and the hands of another human being”

Sorry to be so blunt, but that is a boldfaced lie! A study of the Ordo Salutis clearly shows that:

The ordo salutis is the theological doctrine that deals with the logical sequencing of the benefits of Salvation worked by Christ which are applied to us by the Spirit. This first thing to remember is that we must never seperate the benefits (regeneration, justification, sanctification) from the Benefactor (Jesus Christ). The entire process (election, redemption, regeneration, etc.) is the work of God in Christ and is by grace alone.

The Ordo Salutis is a Reformed tenet that affirms salvation, repentance, and regeneration are acts of the Holy Spirit on behalf of the elect – NOT SOME DOCTRINE OF TRANSFERENCE THROUGH THE LAYING ON OF HANDS! Either Alvarado is incredibly stupid, or cunning enough to think that no one could research this information! Since Alvarado likes Latin so much, why didn’t he research Sola Scriptura – the belief in the supremacy of scripture alone? I could go on, but you get the point – this is a clear case of hack exegesis to prove a personal philosophy.

Alvarado’s final declaration of his “fear” of Christians who “can’t hear from another person” is quite troubling, but nonetheless expected of an (apparently) false teacher. Why would he or any other pimp want you to read the Word for direction from God – apart from their counsel? They don’t want you wandering away from the plantation.

This is yet more evidence of the sad state of the Body of Christ these days. What could have been a clear and concise discussion on Alvarado’s interest/allegiance to spiritual fatherhood instead turned into a session of nothing short of lies propagated to advance a personal philosophy.

I call on Alvarado to repent of this false teaching publicly – just as he publicly espoused these false theories. I also call upon the sheep who submit to him to consider your allegiance as well. Perhaps we now know why Alvarado hasn’t completed his dissertation and is stil ABD - who would want to stand before a doctoral committee to defend such nonsense?

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43 Responses to “More Hack Exegesis…Courtesy of TBN”


  1. 1 escapeetoo April 16, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    ST,

    This video is why Christians like you and I exist for the Lord; to expose light on “unfruitful works of darkness (Eph 5:11).

    This type of exegesis is consumed by the sheeple and is digested without inspection. The people cheering on that video should be reading and studying to identify what is REAL.

    Landers is going to latch on to this message from Alvarado to attack Luke Hall, a recent escapee of Club Hustle & Flow and new Pastor of New Vision Christian Church. Because Hall “heard from God” to start his own ministry he is illegitimate? CRAZY. And that bit that you have to have a MAN on earth to submit to is not biblical at all!

    This is just yet another attempt to scare, intimidate and bully people into submission. This is not the image, will or character of God. God does not FORCE us into relationship. These guys are MLM (Multi Level Marketing) PIMPS

    • 2 Disappointed April 17, 2009 at 12:47 pm

      Ever since Pastor Hall left there have been extra indirect comments about how he “went” and was not ‘sent”. Growing up in the baptist church, most minsters/preachers heard from God directly about being called to ministry. This whole “spiritual covering”/”spiritual father/mother” thing is made up and a bunch of crap! Hearing clearly from God is all you need to move forward, not the approval of another man.

  2. 3 Pamela April 16, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    It took everything in me to finish watching this disgusting video.

    Many Christians haven not had that nonsense. I guess God the Father, Jesus the Son, the Holy Spirit is not enough to him. You have to have another person to empower you. I guess the Bible says that we are reconciled to the Father through another minister, doesn’t it? I guess the Bible says the Holy Spirit will help us conform into the image of the Father and our spiritual father to make sure we conform right, doesn’t it?

    This madness is why I finally quit watching TBN. To think this is still on the network is grievous indeed. I will continue my boycott. I refuse to feed on poison.

    This fellow is indeed dangerous.

  3. 4 gcmwatch April 16, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Astonishing. With the two degrees, one would think that proper exegesis would be in order for these ministers. However, there’s something really dark in their hearts to intentionally twist the scriptures in the manner Alvarado did.

    However degrees aside IST, thanks for exposing this pimp in training. I have watched some of his broadcasts (not impressed) and also heard several stories of the higher than normal church gay population at TG. That’s enough there to prevent me from walking through the doors. But this willful lying on the Savior is reprehensible.

    1. Jesus DID NOT submit “his ministry” to John the Baptist. There were two things Jesus submitted to in scripture: (a) the will of the Father John 4:34 and (b) temporarily, death that he might be ultimately glorified Phil 2:8

    2. While spiritual sonship is a concept found in the NT writings, particularly with Paul and Peter, like most godly principles, it has become a manipulative tool in the hands of people like Alvarado. Trace it and you’ll find it leads to mammon.

    3. Paul wrote in Hebrews 6 that we are to mature beyond the laying on of hands as it proves nothing about true relationship with Christ. Hebrews 6 teaches that such things are regressive spiritually. Laying on of hands is a powerful symbol of transference, but a symbol nonetheless. Used for selfish reasons, it spreads sinful motives. Consequently we are to lay hands suddenly on no man. Guess why? You become partaker of their sins when you symbolically touch them.

    4. The spiritual father/son is nothing but a contemporary church scheme to get people to pay into the HNIC’s “vision” which usually includes buying up property etc and profiteering off it. All the fat cats use it to beef up their stable of 2nd class preachers and use it to jockey for fame on the church scene.

    5.Submission and order are strong biblical principles and I respect both. But these guys have a different motive and perhaps a definition. Alvarado’s lies are proof of that.

    6. Regarding Jesus’ ministry being “illegitimate” unless it was submitted: Jesus NEVER said what Alvarado attributed to him. Nor did he not say it, he never implied it nor can you with any proper approach to scripture derive such a thing unless your motives are impure. Nothing about Jesus was illegitimate. In fact Im willing to call Alvarado’s words blasphemy for reducing the work of God to a satanic scheme.

    Im stunned at this trash and filth coming out of Alvarado’s mouth. Whoever he’s been “sitting under” certainly taught him well or maybe laid hands on him and passed that foul teaching onto him.

    • 5 speaking truth April 16, 2009 at 9:08 pm

      gcmwatch, thanks for your thoughtful commentary. You have proven my original point – spiritual authority is not unbiblical, but intimidation and supression disguised as “covering” is.

      These episodes make me thank God all the more for earnest pastors like you, Ken, E. Bert, Pastor Jim, Brian Foulks and all of the other biblically sound pastors and teachers that add to the rich dialogue on this blog. The Body will need men like you when the great falling away becomes undeniably present.

  4. 6 Ocean Breeze April 16, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    IST,

    Let me ask your opinion on something regarding this whole “spiritual father” thing. I am assuming you are African American (I could be wrong, though). The reason I bring that up is it seems the whole submission to spiritual authority thing is especially prevalent in African American churches. I live in California and know believers of various ethnicities. In our conversations I rarely hear the kind of references to “spiritual authority” that I hear from other African Americans. Also, the concept of a pastor as a father figure does not seem very common with other ethnic groups out here (Catholics may be an exception). I definitely come across notions of pastors as mentors or spiritual advisors. However, I have never had a conversation with a non-black Christian and got the impression they saw their pastors like “fathers” to be obeyed. Granted this is all anecdotal. I have not done any formal research or anything like that.

    I guess I am wondering if anyone else has noticed this or if it is just my experience. Sometimes it seems like we (African Americans) feel we NEED some kind of strong authority figure over us, particularly when it comes to matters of faith. Watching that clip and seeing everyone in the crowd agree with him (90% of whom appeared to be black) I wonder if there are cultural elements that make many of our people so susceptible to this kind of brainwashing. I could be off on this. And maybe I am reading more into this than I should. I just wanted to put it out there and so what you thought. Thanks in advance for any feedback.

    • 7 speaking truth April 16, 2009 at 8:59 pm

      I am Black as well, Ocean Breeze, and I think you hit the nail square on the head. Some of the more charismatic white pentecostals (the ones who like to visit black churches to fatten their pockets) have adopted this faux covering network, but our culture by in large embraces this “submission to the mand of gawd” thing wholeheartedly.

      Take look at what I wrote over a year ago in my original article on “The Allure of the Pimp”:

      The argument could be made that this bastardized “father-son” exploitation is rampant in the black church because of the lack of fathers in black homes. I can see that perspective. I had a fractured relationship with my own father. Sure, he was in our home but he was emotionally unavailable. I first bought into the “daddy” concept while seeking healing for the relationship with my biological father (we’re fine now), and I found comfort in the concept of a “spiritual father” who was charismatic and (I thought) had God’s ear.

      I’m a grown man with an MBA, but I fell for it – hook, line, and sinker.

      Unfortunately, this line of heresy will continue to run rampant in churches because the pastors set themselves up as the ultimate authority in their clubs – above even God (who isn’t present anyway because of their godlessness). You either fall in line or fall away – and if you fall away then you are a rebellious son of the devil anyway (in their eyes). To go even deeper (and to extend your thought even further), who did Jim Jones PURPOSELY seek out for submission to his “fatherhood”? That’s right – black folks. The jungles of “Jonestown” were full of people who looked like you and me, dragged their by a man they called “daddy.” That sick “spiritual father” kept saying “please drink the punch, children, so we can go to a better place” while his followers killed their children and themselves.

      No, Ocean Breeze, you’re not off base at all.

  5. 8 pierced April 16, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Thanks IST for posting this. I watched the broadcast on the night it was aired (don’t ask why I was watching TBN) and was stunned at the things coming out of this man’s mouth!

    Not only was he putting forth principles that are not biblical/scriptural, but had the nerve to pontificate in such an arrogant manner.

    He has the force of personality to be convincing to those who are not soundly grounded in biblical/scriptural doctrine and is obviously intelligent – and that makes him dangerous.

    I can understand why it took two days for you process what you saw and heard – I am still reeling.

    What did you think of Alvarado’s interpretation of David’s removal of Goliath’s head?

    • 9 speaking truth April 17, 2009 at 11:12 am

      What did you think of Alvarado’s interpretation of David’s removal of Goliath’s head?

      I’m editing that video now, piereced and that will be up on my youtube page soon…and in comentary in this blog. I presume that the GOliath analogy (along with the mis-exegesis of “the anointing on Aaron’s beard”) was another attempt to say that an “uncovered” (i.e. immature or young) pastor can’t operate within the “anointing” without age and wisdom.

      I dunno, the more than man speaks, the more confused I get – be on the look out for the new post sometime this weekend or Monday.

  6. 10 gcmwatch April 16, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    “as the demand for covering and guidance from Bishop Alvarado grew, a collection of pastors wanted to further express their covenant relationship with him by forming an official fellowship.”

    Demand grew?? Wow, that’s like a marketing cliche there. But anyway, is this great aggregation of pastors listed somewhere? I’d like to see who was doing all this demanding for his “covering”. So far, all Ive seen was two satellite churches pastored by guys he sent to oversee the church. I visited one and the guy was mentioning Alvarado every 5 minutes. I got the impression that Alvarado was the pastor of the church and he (the speaker) was just a sunday stand in.

    Also I wanted to point out look who Alvarado was talking to. Timms is a mess himself and in no position biblically to correct anything Alvarado said. The people in the audience generally are folks from the guests’ churches so the amen corner is in place.

    Sad. And wicked.

    • 11 speaking truth April 17, 2009 at 11:19 am

      gcmwatch,

      Here is a list of the churches in Alvarado’s homemade denomination.

      And don’t get me started about Timms (I was going to simply ignore him in this mess). His adultry sent more than half of his church members running to the exits. God does restore, but He certainly doesn’t honor leaders who think they can keep dragging their baggage into the pulpit with them.

      • 12 gcmwatch April 17, 2009 at 3:05 pm

        Okay so now I get it. These 14 churches were “demanding” that he lead them so they could pay for this? And so in response to their demands for leadership, the least he could do was hold another meaningless church conference, charge them, bring in high priced speakers and have a few hours personally with “da bishop”. Gee, what a thrill.

        That’s real father/son-ish. Its the same ole, same ole. Get a group together, be a “father” and reap the benefits. Right now, Im a father to 4 children and I pay for EVERYTHING. Plus I give them a lil change here and there. And that’s just because I love them.

        Jesus said if earthly fathers, being evil (or imperfect) gives good gifts, how much more then does your heavenly father?

        Looks like here, everything flows up. As usual.

  7. 13 Alan Higgins April 17, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Most of all which needs to be said has been said. The sad thing is tha if you dont study the bible for yourself, it all sounds legit and biblical but that comment ‘You’re “Dangerous” If You Only Hear From God?’ is CRAZY

  8. 15 lavrai April 17, 2009 at 10:28 am

    I am sorry to say that I didn’t watch the clip or read the full article yet… but what is a “covenant relationship?” Exactly how many gods are there that there are so many covenants? I thought the last one ushered in by Christ Jesus’ blood was IT.

    And the bit about Jesus the Christ submitting to John the Baptist is classic… although John said he had to decrease so the LORD could increase. It’s like folks love being in spiritual, emotional and monetary bondage.

    I’m bookmarking this for full study later…

  9. 16 Eyeswideopen April 17, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Greetings IST, and the Body,

    As a recovering “church hopper” (the other label placed on you when you don’t agree with their mess and leave!)I must admitt I left a small legalistic “plantation” to run-away to what I then thought was freedom in God at the then some what newly built “big house” NBS in Morrow, to only discover that there was too much “freedom” and constant catering to the flesh and iching ears. It also became very apparent to me (although it took some time) that this mere man actually wanted me to consider him as a “daddy”. It never sat well with me spiritually or naturally. #1 because I was older than him, not to say someone older cannot be wise and be looked up to. And #2 I could never really justify it in the word. So I went running back to the small plantation only to realize that I came back out of fear of being cursed and all the other propoganda used to keep you enslaved. I am ashamed to admitt it but I actually had bought into or for lack of a better term had been brain-washed into thinking I was not being blessed and was going through the “unrest” spiritually and other tribulations of my life,(ST John 16:33) forclosure, rebelious child, divorce because i was disobedient and unsubmissive. And Why? Because as a “Missionary” I wanted to actually do missions, go figure? Help struggling memebers and non-members in the community with the churchs financial assitance through an auxilery budget and or benevolence offerings, and i would then cheerfully finance the rest.

    I was basically shot down, why? because any additional offerings would take away from the church, and the pastor basically saw no need in helping non-members unless they came and had the potential to join the church. So my missions had to be geared specifically at bringing in more members, not doing the work of the kingdom, winning souls,and meeting the needs of the poor “just because” which in some cases would garner fruit ie members to this specific church. My mistake was that I did not then nor do i now believe that soul-winning is about bringing people necessaryly to a specific building.

    What does this have to do with the topic. First of all it’not just the large church pastors spewing this heresy. And I now see it is a control issue! Most of these people are very controling. For example everything I said God directed me to do was shot down to make me question whether i actually heard from God. When i showed any sign of rebelion or disagreed he would say things like “God is not going to tell you (the members) anything without, telling the mand of gawd first”. Like he had some special hot-line to God that not only allowed him to have “special communication” with and from God, but God allowed him to know what he spoke to his members too! I actually beleive this mess. This is not scriptual in the context that he was trying and successfully used with me and is still using on his current members.

    This is a sad video and is just the tip of the “iceberg” no pund intended. I truly thank God for this site and the work that your doing. I also thank Him humbly for counting me worthy to see the truth and still be sold-out to Him. Realizing this, we all must pray for those that the truth is revealed to and because they have no real relationship with Christ end up forsaking the faith and falling away.

    PS I am a TBN prayer partner (I actually volunteer on the phone lines). I must admitt that i have long stopped even tuning in to the programing i am in the valley of decisions on whether to continue my work there. The problem i guess im having is for example, that i had the opportunity to pray with and gently through the scriptures and advise a World Changers member who was experiencng financial problems to take care of her household first and she agreed! I guess apart of me sees it as a opportunity to spread the the truth and separate praying with callers and being apart of the “organization”. Can I be transparent and share that i know i sound hypocritical. Pray for me that i gain the courage to do what is right according to the word only and not my flesh.

    As always, blessings to you and yours!

    • 17 speaking truth April 17, 2009 at 11:06 am

      I share much of your testimony regarding “submitting to the mand of gawd” – except I did call the Pimp of Hampton “daddy”…like a fool. Glory to God that he loved all of us enough to send the Holy Spirit to intervene while we were in delusion.

      Regarding your work at TBN, I actually think that you are in the right place at the right time…for now. Rather than sitting under heresy in the pew of a pimps plantation, you’re actually talking one on one with people who are reaching out to what they believe to be a legitimate ministry. You have the unique opportunity to present the true Gospel to them (as demonstrated by your encounter with the World Changers member) – and that will hopefully cause them to read their bible as they listen to their pastors to see if the Word is being preached authentically.

      Be in prayer, but this could be God’s way of infiltrating the madness of TBN with sound saints!

  10. 18 djenk23 April 17, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    if we check his DNA, we can see that Eddie Long is one of his spiritual daddies…so this isnt surprising…like father, like son…

    • 19 speaking truth April 17, 2009 at 1:39 pm

      You’re right, djenk23 – Eddie Long is Alvarado’s daddy! I forgot he was somehow connected to Club New Birth…

    • 20 Sugacoles April 19, 2009 at 10:35 pm

      Alvarado was at Long’s church as minister of music for about three or maybe four years. He brought Byron Cage to Long’s church from Morehouse College. Alvarado’s wife was member for quite sometime and was initially over the praise and worship ministry there. Don’t know how much one can influence another when there’s constant conflict.

      • 21 speaking truth April 19, 2009 at 10:43 pm

        Thanks for the confirmation Sugacoles. I got to Club New Birth in 1996 – well after Byron Cage arrived – but I had heard that Alvarado was there first. Since Alvarado is so into the “father’s covering”, maybe he still considers Eddie his “step-daddy”.

  11. 22 John 8:32 April 17, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Once again excellent article IST! I totally agree Eyeswideopen. Myself I thank God that He kept me clothed in my right mind by keeping me focussed on Who I was supposed to praising, worshipping, and serving while I was at my club. God period !! After having to ask God to draw me even closer after viewing that garbage video, I asked myself what is the reason for this crap(excuse my french). It could only be two things;

    1) Pastors exerting total control of their leaders and congregation. What is spiritual about placing the (false)spirit of fear in order to keep sheeple in your pews with the threat of damnation if you leave and fellow a Pastor that wasn’t sent? So if a leader disagrees with the path that you are taking God’s children, not your children by the way “daddy”, you curse His ministry? Yes, His, the ministry of Jesus the Christ.

    2) Okay maybe it has to do with the possible loss of “giving units” and the paranoia of losing the fleshly material things that pastors try to hold on to. Maybe, as Landers used to preach to us, it is time to downsize! Too much house, too much car, etc…

    Finally, I thought when Jesus hung His head, sacrificing Himself on that cross for us, that when the veil in the temple was torn from top to bottom in two (Matthew 27:51), that we didn’t need go through the priest in order to speak with God any longer. We can pray and have communication (speaking and listening) with God ourselves. I guess I’m real dangerous.

    So if God speaks to you and gives you direction which is contrary to what your Pastor says, especially when scripture is being butchered, who are you going to obey? Me personally I obeying my real and only spiritial father, God.

    Thank you Lord. IST may you and your readers continue to be blessed.

  12. 24 wannabereal April 17, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    BRAVO IST….
    I, too, saw the same program (happened to flip to see what foolishness was coming across the TBN airwaves and caught this…and i wondered THEN if perhaps you or IndependentConservative were watching (as we are all familiar with the foolishness going on here in ATL especially)….I actually tivo’d it for later so i could send you the clip but glad to see you’re on it lol…
    Alavarado was the height of arrogance (as well as possible deceptiveness) in his whole presentation. And i was saddened (but not surprised) to see the whole “spiritual authority” stuff surfacing again and overblown.
    Zachary Tims—uggh, what can i say? He’s another “word-faith” sheister and adulterer (which is why his “co-pastor” wife, Reva left him…’notha story) To watch these hucksters banter back and forth and impress each other with their ‘pontifications’ was truly nauseating lol.
    Your boy, the pimp of Hampton (Andre Landers), was really in his element. Did you catch his opening remarks about how his 42 acre campus, over 10K members, big building etc WAS GAWD??? (“now that’s GAWD!!!”). I was like, hmmmm, ok nothing about repentance, sanctification and the work of the Spirit in believers lives huh??? oh well…..but then his ‘bejeweled’ cross/shield/sword emblem thingy was blinging so bright on his lapel maybe i was blinded and missed something…..lol

    • 25 speaking truth April 17, 2009 at 1:36 pm

      My original intent in even paying attention to the foolish program in the first place wannabereal was to catch a glimpse of Pimp Landers (my former “daddy”) and see how he would prance and preen before a national audience. After hearing Alvarado’s mess (and picking my mouth up off the floor), it made Landers look like Martin Luther himself!

      The funny thing is that Landers has his staff monitor this blog everyday! (I love it when people don’t think I’m smart enough to access the vast analytics that WordPress provides…like the time I caught one of Fred Price’s sheeple trying to defend him “anonymously” FROM THE OFFICES OF FRED’S CHURCH – on Fred’s computer network! :lol: ). I think Landers was upset that I didn’t post his portion of the video – I say “I think” because traffic from his offices increased the day after he appeared on TBN.

      Sorry, Pimp of Hampton – unlike everything else that revolves in your world, this post is not about you…another time, perhaps…

      • 26 Disappointed April 17, 2009 at 1:57 pm

        LMBO IST! Yes, they are checking your site frequently. POH even mentioned how blogs are so megative during the whole Chris Brown/Rihanna fiasco. During Passion Week, everyone was supposed to fast from News, Negativity and Nonsense. It’s funny, at times I feel like he is pushing people towards your site to seek the truth.

      • 27 gcmwatch April 17, 2009 at 3:13 pm

        Now, see IST you are wrong for that. LOL The man wanted a little attention and you refused to accomodate. What kind of former son are you?

        • 28 speaking truth April 17, 2009 at 4:56 pm

          Ha, gcmwatch! I’m one of the “sons” who left in rebellion and is now being “used of the devil” because God would’ve told “daddy” that it was time to leave before God would’ve told me.
          :roll:

      • 29 escapeetoo April 17, 2009 at 4:30 pm

        ST,
        I don’t think the “help or staff” at Club Hustle & Flow know how to study on their own. My inbound traffic shows the same trend.

        The POH is fearful of loosing his base, revenue or as he coins it “giving units”. Why else would the POH tell his sheeple to stop watching the news and blogs while he himself searches them for a competitive edge. How hypoocritical!

        Word has it that his wayward “son” had a strong showing Easter Sunday. I only hope that Pastor Hall does not try to imitate the man he once called “Daddy”. I pray that God’s Will be for Hall to see the error of his prior thinking and latch on to THE TRUTH!

  13. 30 terry@breathing grace April 17, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Certainly, we should be open to receiving godly counsel from our fellow believers.

    But this fellow (who I’ve never heard of before today) is insisting that we can only make a move if we recieve permission from a minster pre-approved of…by whom?

    What of the Apostle Paul? How would this young Bishop interpret this passage of Scripture from Galatians 1:

    11I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up.
    12I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
    13For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it.
    14I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
    15But when God, who set me apart from birth[a] and called me by his grace, was pleased
    16to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man,
    17nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus.

    Now while I don’t know Bishop Alvarado, I am quite familiar with the preacher (Zacary Tims) he is talking to, as he is a pastor not far from where I live. And he, too, spouts some pretty off the wall stuff. Of course, his ministry, which was taking off, has been fading quite a bit in the past year due to controversy.

    • 31 speaking truth April 17, 2009 at 1:31 pm

      You went exactely where I wanted readers to go terry- the alleged illigitimacy of Paul’s ministry. According to Alvarado’s dangerous philosophy (I won’t even call it exegesis anymore), Paul is illegitimate and immature because he responded directly to God’s call on him – he didn’t have hands laid on him by a man. Further, that must mean that Timothy is far more legitimate than Paul because at least he had hands laid on him.

      It’s doctrinal vomit that begets MORE doctrinal vomit.

  14. 32 searchingfortruth April 18, 2009 at 10:38 am

    ST,

    Thanks again for bringing truth to the forfront for those that will receive it. May you continue to be blessed as a blessing to the real Saints.

  15. 33 Lets get it right!!! April 18, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Folks!!!

    Please lets get this thing right. Many people jump out and start there Church’s to prove to people that they are “anointed.”( Right there is a wrong reason) Furthermore, these same group of people when they start there own Churches are not “accountable” to anybody. Also, the disciples sat under Jesus for 3yrs, Elisha sat under Eliji, David sat under Saul until GOD removed Saul. There is a biblical order here that we cannot ignore. And yes, GOD does not need a mans approval for anything, but lets not get the (Big Head) here and dismiss the fact that GOD does speak through human beings as well. So run out and start your Churches; but you better make sure your motives and your intentions are pure before GOD, and not start it to prove to some Man or a former Church that you are anointed.
    Out….

    • 34 escapeetoo April 18, 2009 at 6:43 pm

      Get It Right,

      I agree. One should have formal as well as spiritual mentorship. However, only God can promote. We are all called to the Priesthood of the Believers. The blessing and the anointing comes from God NOT a man. According to Jeremiah 1:5-8 God sends those that “He” chooses. God does not need the approval of man nor mans help.

      A “son” is only ready to be sent out when there is an opportunity to produce revenue (They call it fruit). Landers was sent to the South Side of Atlanta with the intent that he would send a check back to Long. You better believe when those checks stopped coming to Long from Landers Long was not happy.

  16. 35 hiscrivener April 19, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    ST,

    I was shouting, “Right On” and looking like one of JJ’s paintings in Good Times as I read this post, but it was your comment to Ocean Breeze that really had me steppin’.

    @ST: “Some of the more charismatic white pentecostals (the ones who like to visit black churches to fatten their pockets) have adopted this faux covering network, but our culture by in large embraces this “submission to the mand of gawd” thing wholeheartedly.”

    Ain’t that the Gospel truth? Black preachers are known for their half-wit ABDs and degrees from “MomAnDem University” insisting all the while folk call them, “Doctor” (As a holder of an EARNED doctorate, there is nothing more that makes wanna cuss than that).

    However, the pimps of a different shade who dumb down the Gospel message and shout, “You need to slap someone in her weave and say…” Is there anything more demeaning? Yet, stadiums are full of sheep baying to be fleeced because they don’t have the wherewithal to know the difference.

    If people – black and white alike – would replace their wishbone with a backbone, you would be amazed how many street preachers could run circles around these hack ABDs. It’s called relationship, people. If you have that, no amount of book smarts can fool you.

    ST, as always… Cyber High Five! <>

    Peace, brother.

    HiScrivener

  17. 38 Pat April 19, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    The cable went out in my area right before he came on-not to be spooky but God covered me-thee cable came back on right after midnight. Do you think he was trying to throw off on Landers because of the Long split? Another angle of this foolishness!

    • 39 speaking truth April 19, 2009 at 10:48 pm

      Do you think he was trying to throw off on Landers because of the Long split?

      I don’t think so, Pat (welcome back, BTW – haven’t seen you in these parts for awhile). Eddie and Landers split because Landers was tired of being Eddie’s “son” – especially since he’s growing his own sons. Plus, Landers got tired of “tithing up”. I’m hearing that Eddie called Landers to tell him to “slow down”, and…well you know the rest.

      To me, Landers used Alvarado to set up his former son (Lander’s former right-hand man recently left to start his own church), especially since Landers has been throwing his former #2 under the bus week after week…just my guess.

  18. 40 Douglas K. Adu-Boahen April 25, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    I was in stitches when he tried to rip off the concept of the ordo salutis. As someone writing an article on the ordo salutis, his point was plain stupid, not to mention a downright dirty lie.

  19. 41 Mercedes July 25, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    I asked my uncle about Alvarado’s exegesis and I thought he was going to say what I thought I want him to say but didn’t. He said that maybe we aren’t listening to his words as we ought to hear them. He basically said that throughout the bible there has been many examples of an anointed people who still humble themselves under the established leadership. For example, even though David was anointed as a king, he still let himself be in (submission) of Saul. I would just lay the case with just pairings Samuel/Eli, Elijah/Elisha, and so on. He said that maybe we hear things out of context. But I will posed this question because I am thoroughly confused on the matter of spiritual fathers. If Jesus didn’t need John’s baptism, why did he do it? What is the significance of it? I think the bible has a clear theme of humbling oneself to other people and to HIM too but please elaborate.

    • 42 speaking truth July 25, 2009 at 9:10 pm

      Your Uncle is right, for the most part, Mercedes. We should listen to his words clearly and carefully, but not as we want to hear them – as they measure against the Word of God. Clearly the concept of spiritual mentorship (or what some may call “fathership”) is biblical. Just as you mentioned: Samuel/Eli, Elijah/Elisha; Paul/Timothy, and so Naomi/Ruth, and so forth. That video was copied in entirety – not out of context, so Alvarado was clearly “exegeting” as he spoke. Go back and read gcmwatch’s comment as he succinctly points out where Alvarado was on the right path and where he was just spinning in foolishness. I didn’t say that Jesus didn’t “need” to be baptized by John. Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist because it was the will of God – part of His plan for salvation for the world. Jesus wasn’t “legitimized” because He went to John (as Alvarado incorrectly claims), Jesus was being obedient to God the Father.

      There is nothing wrong with following goldy mentors who are chasing after God, but that’s not what Alvarado was pushing. He was pushing the “submit to man, went and not sent” philosophy that keeps people bound in surfdom.

  20. 43 merwordup July 27, 2009 at 9:58 am

    I am just confused on the spiritual father concept because I feel that some people will abuse it and make like a “no snitching” campaign or something. I mean, the bible says that we only have “one Father” but then there are these titles and stuff. Well, I just going to reread GCMWatch, lol.


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