Is Pastor John Hunter of First AME L.A. A Pimp?

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The man pictured above is Pastor John Hunter of The First AME Church of Los Angeles (a/k/a “FAME” church). FAME is one of the “it” churches in the LA area – a place where the well-known go to be seen worship. Pastor John even allowed Flavor Fav to bring his “reality show” coon show to FAME a few years ago. Now, allowing a buffoonish minstrel to parade a group of “women” into his church for a reality hoe show is grounds enough to qualify Pastor John for pulpit pimpdom – particularly since VH1 likely left a generous “love offering”. Nevertheless, it appears as though other activities may just push Pastor John into the ranks with Fast Eddie Long, TD Fakes, and the others:

First AME Pastor’s Spending Examined

LA Times – 11/30/08

The pastor of the First African Methodist Episcopal Church, one of the oldest and most prominent black congregations in Los Angeles, used church credit cards to pay for at least $122,000 in personal expenses over a three-year period, including jewelry, family vacations, clothing and auto supplies, according to documents and church sources.

The spending came to light during the course of an independent audit and Internal Revenue Service investigation into the financial affairs of the pastor, John J. Hunter; his wife, Denise Brown Hunter; and the church, according to people connected with the church, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared retaliation.

Fear of retaliation? Do I smell church mafia with a hint of pimpdom? Nah…

Earlier this year, field officials in the Los Angeles office of the IRS’ criminal division issued summonses to two banks and a charge card company to testify and produce financial records involving Hunter and the church, documents obtained by The Times show. IRS officials would not respond to questions about the status of their investigation.

In an interview Saturday, Hunter, 51, said he has signed an agreement to repay the church, though he would not confirm the amount owed or the details of the payment plan. He also denied any criminal wrongdoing and said he was working with tax authorities to repay his back taxes.

OK, so why does PJ admit that he had to “repay the church”? I thought the “mand of gawd” was allowed to plunder the treasury…God does want him to be blessed, right? So why “repay” for what is rightfully his…right?

“Some things were probably inappropriately charged to the church credit card, but all of these issues have been resolved,” Brown Dillon said. “The church is not going to suffer any losses.”

Now I’m starting to get some clarity. The issue “has been resolved” because no one wants the “mand of gawd” to “curse them” for calling him on the carpet for stealing (that’s the legal term for taking something that does not belong to you). So what was “inappropriately charged”? Wait for it…wait for it…

Hunter’s financial issues have alienated some church members, who say they were dismayed by reports of what they viewed as lavish spending at a time of great economic need in the community.

Between January 2005 and January 2008, Hunter’s spending included more than $6,000 on clothes, $3,000 on auto supplies, more than $2,000 on jewelry, $1,000 on bicycles and more than $10,000 on personal purchases during church-sponsored trips to India and China, according to documents obtained by The Times.

Imagine that – another mega church pastor spending lavishly while the community around his church club crumbles. Truth be told, the amount spent of clothing, auto supplies and jewelry isn’t that much to spend over a 3 year period. That said, the man already gets a very comfortable “salary” (plus extras) from the congregation, so why use church credit cards to buy personal items?

Because he can, that’s why. 

And let’s not forget that PJ “opted out” of paying federal taxes (without telling the Feds, mind you), so he’s on the hook with the government too. 

The LA Times did an update on the story earlier today:

First AME pastor apologizes to congregation for alleged misspending

LA Times – 12/1/08

The pastor of First African Methodist Episcopal Church in Los Angeles apologized to his congregants Sunday for any embarrassment caused by disclosures that he had used church credit cards for sizable personal expenses and had failed to pay federal taxes for several years.

Pastor John J. Hunter, 51, used church credit cards to pay for at least $122,000 in personal expenses, including family vacations, clothes, jewelry, bikes and auto supplies, The Times reported Sunday. He and church finance officials said he had signed an agreement to repay the money and instituted stricter accounting policies, such as spending guidelines and more frequent audits, to guard against future problems.

Hunter also told The Times that he is working with federal tax officials to repay back taxes, penalties and interest amassed over 17 years, which have resulted in federal tax liens of more than $309,000 against himself and his wife, Denise Brown Hunter. He explained that he had legally opted out of the Social Security system several years ago, as ministers are allowed to do, but that the IRS had no record of it and assessed the taxes.

At least he admitted it, right? Well it’s easier to “admit” to something when the Feds have your…um…unmentionables in a vice – and there are NO alternatives.

OK, so here’s the bottom line. John Hunter has no business leading a church right now. He has proven that he can’t handle his personal affairs (his taxes) and he used church property (credit cards) for personal purchases for 3 years! Lets remember what Paul said about the qualifications for church elders:

1 Timothy 3:1-7 (New American Standard Bible)

1 (A)It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the (B)office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do.

2 (C)An overseer, then, must be above reproach, (D)the husband of one wife, (E)temperate, prudent, respectable, (F)hospitable, (G)able to teach,

3 (H)not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, (I)free from the love of money.

4 He must be one who (J)manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity

5 (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of (K)the church of God?),

6 and not a new convert, so that he will not become (L)conceited and fall into the (M)condemnation incurred by the devil.

7 And he must (N)have a good reputation with (O)those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and (P)the snare of the devil.

So is John Hunter a pimp? I don’t know.

I’ve never heard him preach or teach, but it appears as though he’s slipping into pimpistry. At best the AME denominational leadership should sit him down, counsel him, and rehabilitate him for service to their membership.

Wishful thinking, considering that the AME church is also the home of Jamal Bryant – the Pimp of Baltimore…and we already know how he runs amok with no supervision or oversight.

Oh well, a man can dream…

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28 Responses to “Is Pastor John Hunter of First AME L.A. A Pimp?”


  1. 1 escapeetoo December 2, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Good find ST.

    The sad thing is that First AME in L.A. was once a beacon of hope for the L.A. community (In particular after the 1992 L.A. Riots). Rev. Cecil “Chip” Murray was replaced by this guy in 2004. Dr Murray moved to USC to persue an academic career.

    Dr Murray once told a reporter:

    “You must think big. If you think big, you will have big returns. But we must go beyond worship and praise. We must help the homeless, heal the sick, find jobs, make loans and worry about the environment. Then the megachurch will endure into the next century.”

    I think he had the TRUE vision for the mega church! too bad he was replaced by this guy!

  2. 2 gcmwatch December 2, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    escapeetoo,

    Cecil Murray also personally passed out condom kits during church service at FAME. You might want to rethink him as anything close to truth.

  3. 3 speaking truth December 2, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    personally passed out condom kits during church service

    Man, gcmwatch, my “is he a pimp” question was really posed based on the money slide-of-hand, but passing out condoms in church?

    That’s strictly pimpalicious! Gotta protect the earners, right? :lol:

  4. 4 escapeetoo December 2, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    gcmwatch- good point but…

    Actually…Dr Murray handed out “AIDS Awareness Kits” that contained condoms. The kits were full of information about AIDS and how it was destroying our community. While he probably should have not included the condoms in the kit, I have to give Dr. Murray credit in this regard; he was the 1st and only Pastor of a Mega Church to address the topic of AIDS head on. And now 14 years later we (black folk) lead the world in new AIDS cases.

    Putting Condoms in the kit was not right. The word is clear that we are to abstain from sex until marriage. Condoms advocate that safe sex (while not married) is ok and that is not truth

    As ST stated, my comment was mostly directed toward the “pimpistry” at FAME. I was simply pointing to how far backwards the church has gone.

  5. 5 gcmwatch December 2, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    escapee, I understand where you are I just dont think Murray was better than this guy. It was the wrong headed sexual teaching and direction of people like Murray who contributed to the morass of sexuality problems in the black community.

    Besides that, I find scant if any evidence of Murray’s addressing AIDS which caused any significant decline or change of attitude/behavior in the community. Simply put, he is a sexual liberal who promotes a false sexual liberation line. None of which is good for black folk.

    Thx IST for allowing this slight diversion. :)

  6. 6 blk December 3, 2008 at 1:06 am

    I have been a member at Fame for 15 yrs. I appreciate where Dr murray came from in his approach in the word. While he was not perfect , as no man is perfect, you got a sense that he really cared for other as he did himself. I challenge any of you to do that. It is easy to criticize and tear down. The real measure is a person is to create a positive force even after you are long gone.

    I disagree that giving out condoms is morally wrong. There are couples when one partner maybe infected while the other is not. They need education also in our community. The black church has always been a beacon of social activism. While you may call that liberalism, I call it inspiring. From Teh days of slavery and the routes out of bondage through the civil rights movement the church was there leading. Sometimes we become so angry and bitter that we tear down instead of building up people.

    I have not been a supporter of Rev hunter , which is why for the last year I have been visiting churches closer to my home. Why drive 30 miles to hear mediocre sermons when I can go five minutes away and hear that.

    I think a minister to reep of humility. Rev Hunter has a long way to go in that area. My God strengthen his path in that area while he steps down and gain that wisdom.

  7. 7 speaking truth December 3, 2008 at 10:37 am

    I appreciate where Dr murray came from in his approach in the word. While he was not perfect , as no man is perfect, you got a sense that he really cared for other as he did himself. I challenge any of you to do that. It is easy to criticize and tear down. The real measure is a person is to create a positive force even after you are long gone

    No one is “tearing down” Dr. Murray, blk – I certainly didn’t as I am not from the LA area or know any of these guys. I get your point about condoms protecting married couples where 1 spouse is infected and the other isn’t, but to pass out condoms to the entire congregation seems to negate that claim. gcmwatch is a pastor of a congregation, so I’ll defer to him regarding his comments that you are referencing.

    That said – as someone who saw Hunter up close each week, would you contend that he is on the road to pimpdom (or already arrived)? Does he preach the heresy known as the “name it and claim it/word of faith”?

  8. 8 Rev. Gerald R. Zollar December 3, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    As one who was taught by and served with Rev. C. Murray I wonder how he became the topic. Stay focused people. This article is about Rev. Hunter and money.

    Some people appear to be blind to facts. People, young adults and kids are having sex, it’s about free will.
    So while not condoning sex outside of marriage the reality of AIDS and other STD’s must be met and dealt with head-on.
    You can thump your bible all you want and scream abstinence all day long but to those who are having sex then we must protect them and the general community. AIDS travels into the general populace by blood and sputum transfers, from one innocent to another, there has to be a stop some where. You cannot stick your head in the biblical sand and act in aversion to facts.

    I speak as one who handed out some of those condoms and was very much behind my Pastor/Mentor and the philosophy driving the program.

    As for Rev. Hunter he is paying for his disobedience and I hope he learns his lesson and is moved to another smaller less affluent congregation. I have only met him briefly and I have listened to his sermons. I am not surprised by his actions as he moved in making expensive changes to his office and more followed.
    It is no wonder he is in trouble when mammon has taken lead in his life.
    We can pray for him.

    Be Blessed

    RevZ

  9. 9 gcmwatch December 3, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Rev. Zollar, wasnt Murray the longtime pastor of FAME? Wasnt Rev Hunter his successor? Wasnt there a slight contrast made by one commenter of the two? That’s how he got involved in the discussion.

    I do not like taking someone else’s commentary off the track it was intended without their approval, so I hesitate to engage your comments.

    ST, has deferred to me blk’s comment so I will briefly say that the question of Cecil Murray’s “positive legacy” is a in the eye of the beholder issue. Certainly you will see as your perspective his positive (which btw is much different than Godly) contributions to society in general and the black community in specific.

    I orient my perspective to a biblical worldview and thus all positive things dont rank high on my applause list. I think Murray’s handling of the AIDS issue is a major example of this. Some may see it as a positive thing perhaps even “realist”, but a condom doesnt address the sin issue embedded within the actions of many who want to continue having “safe sex”, but reject any message that requires them to live godly as the ultimate expression of safety and protection. Psalms 91. Again Rev. Murray advocated a God-less option. In that, his legacy in my view is severly tainted.

    Civil rights (freedom from physical oppression) may be a component of earthly righteousness but it is not the apex of the gospel message. And some in the black community have in error elevated it to that status.

  10. 10 speaking truth December 3, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    gcmwatch – as a covenant brother of mine and one who brings biblical wisdom to this blog, you have certainly earned the right to steer this conversation into any area you deem appropriate (within reason, of course :-) ). Feel free to address anyone here who addresses you.

    Everyone – my ultimate question was if Hunter is a pulpit pimp or well on his way to it. I pretty much know the answer but I was curious as to how those of you who know him or sat under him feel. One could argue that Murray’s tenure set the stage for what we see today (again, I don’t have a dog in this fight – other than exposing the dark works of a “man of God”), but the fact remains that Hunter’s problems rest squarely on his shoulders and (unfortunately) those in his congregation who are going to help him pay his way out of this mess with their tithes, offerings, love offerings, et al.

  11. 11 gcmwatch December 3, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Thanks ST for your liberality and kind words.

    Rev. Zollar, unfornately your own wayward idealism is reflected in your active support of Rev. Murray’s condom distribution as a solution to the AIDS problem.

    Not only is it illogical (and could be argued to ad absurdum) is conflict with healthy biblical understanding. You also seem to conflict (ie, your personal involvement) that Murray handed out condoms and not just “AIDS awareness kits”.

    You say: “Some people appear to be blind to facts. People, young adults and kids are having sex, it’s about free will.”

    This is illogical because people are young black people are committing suicide at disproportionate rates, yet no one suggests giving them guns with properly functioning safety mechanisms. Any saint should know that free will is not a cue for us to abet deadly behaviour. In case your werent aware illicit sex these days is deadly behavior.

    Its ungodly because no one does the scripture teach us to abet sinful behavior to “keep it real”. That comes from the world and the current state of the AIDS crisis is in large part due to the world’s liberal thinking on sexuality. The bible tells each person to possess our bodies in santification and honor” 1 Thess 4:7.

    You say: “You can thump your bible all you want and scream abstinence all day long but to those who are having sex then we must protect them and the general community.”

    This reveals your contempt and disdain for God’s word. Your remarks are saying “God’s word or his standards are not good enough to solve our problems.” You of such finite understanding and ability seem to have gained much more wisdom than the Creator himself. It always reveals that you are a traitor. You call yourself a representative of God , but you eshew and mock his standards. There’s very little “reverend” about that position.

    You said: “AIDS travels into the general populace by blood and sputum transfers, from one innocent to another, there has to be a stop some where. You cannot stick your head in the biblical sand and act in aversion to facts.”

    Nice use of sarcastic cliches. The “reality” of what you are saying is like a blind man trying to put out a forest fire.
    Jesus said there are none “innocent” before God. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 6:23. But you —in opposition to the Word of God— (and as a so-called minister) have created out of thin air a category of innocent people who need your protection. A “protection” I might add that you have already failed at providing. Please check CDC statistics so you can get updated on how well your protection efforts are going. I would much rather trust in the Living God, than some self appointed but obviously short-sighted man.

    You say: “I speak as one who handed out some of those condoms and was very much behind my Pastor/Mentor and the philosophy driving the program.”

    Well you have convincingly made the case for the broken, unGodly and ultimately dead end legacy of Cecil Murray’s pimpdom. Excuse us if we dont applaud your hero’s social experiementation.

    Thanks again ST.

  12. 12 blk December 4, 2008 at 1:45 am

    Well ladies and gentleman, I must definitely defer to most of your experience in religion, church hierarchy and determination to what is Godly or not. I have no such formal training in this area. I am a lowly pew dweller who like many of the ministers is flawed and imperfect. What I do know is that God is not a respector of a persons education, status or wealth. What I understand is that God loves the heart of a person. There are many stories in the bible of God using imperfect leaders to do great things. Moses who fled from justice. Peter denied Jesus but God used him in a powerful way. Paul who persecuted Christians.

    Also, recent heroes who gave into fleshly desires but God used them for his purpose such as Martin Luther King Jr.

    So I must forgive Pastor John( Hunter) because God has a purpose in all things.

    However, like I mentioned before , he needs his experience in the wilderness away from the trappings of this world to find the righteous path.

    I pray that the bishop assist him in this journey and provide new interim leadership to FAME. By Gods grace

  13. 13 FAME Officer December 4, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    Rev. John Hunter has been doing this for years. He used church credit cards in Seattle when he was the Pastor of First AME Church of Seattle.

    He comes down to Los Angeles, moves into a $2,000,000 mansion in Encino, leases a Range Rover in the church’s name, and uses the church’s credit card to the tune of $122,000.

    What the L.A. Times article failed to mention is that before Hunter and his woman were caught for using the Visa card, they used the church’s American Express card. That’s right folks. I have in my possession an American Express Statement from January 2005 to December 2005 where the Hunters charged over $200,000 on personal items.

    It seems that the Pastor feels that the church’s money is his money even though his compensation package is over $200,000 per year. He is really hurting First AME Church, and we feel it is time for the Bishop to move him before the church is bankrupt.

    The question was “Is Pastor John a pimp”? Well you tell me with all of the things listed above if you think he is a pimp.

  14. 14 speaking truth December 5, 2008 at 7:28 am

    I have in my possession an American Express Statement from January 2005 to December 2005 where the Hunters charged over $200,000 on personal items

    FAME OFFICER,

    Thanks for confirming my assessment of Pimp John.

    Are you still at the church – hanging on hoping that Pimp John will go away, or have you already left?

    Would you be willing to provide a JPEG of the Amex statement you mentioned above (removing personal identification info)? If so, hit me up via the “contact me” page (it goes to my private email address) and I’ll happily post it to show that Pimp John is far more slick than we originally suspected.

  15. 15 AME Pastor December 5, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    If you want to know all about Rev. John Hunter and Marilyn Denise Brown (not legally married) of First AME Church just click on the link below:

    http://www.famegate2.net

    He has truly been an embarrassment to the AME Church and the city of Los Angeles. I must admit I am guilty for not speaking up sooner about him being a Pimp. Someone ask the question if he was a Pimp, and the answer is Hell Yeah.

  16. 16 Donald H December 7, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Chip Murray taught the personal salvation was the devil’s handiwork. He denied a literal hell. I remember a message on the old KMAX radio station that he stated, “my god is a god of love, he won’t send anyone to hell” close quote.

    He made the statement that you don’t just have 1st Corinthians, and 2nd Corinthians, you also have 3rd and 4th Corinthians and your preacher will tell that! Close quote again.

    The atmosphere with all the stuff there for sell, reminded me of Jesus’ comment that his Father’s his was being made into a den of thieves.

    I think Pastor John Coleman still has some of the old Chip Murray interviews on his website if you check.

    http://www.johnecoleman.org

    As far as I can remember this church has been under ungodly heretical leadership, ain’t no sense in playing with it.

    Now a new pimp done took over, man I been away for L.A. too long!

    Pimp is pimp by any other game.

  17. 17 NANCY FROM KANSAS CUTY December 8, 2008 at 12:16 am

    The subject was to be on Hunter and everyone got on Cecil Murray. Rev. Hunter has some problems with the AME Church when his father was a Bishop. He was ill and should have been brought from Africa but they let him stay. Here is a man not married, wife has become a preacher but no one can find a marriage lincense. Hunter should be removed IRS OR NO IRS. If they are not thru they surely will find alot of illegal things that he has done.

    I think if the FBI OR THE IRS is still investigating I think the AME Church will be brought down to it’s knees. The people that has been moved in LA, a percentage is still doing the same thing. I can’t figure out why Bishop Kirkland still has Rev. Mayberry under him when he didn’t want him there and with the mess Hunter is involved in he should be removed from 1st AME and other committees he’s own.

    NANCY IN KANSAS CITY

  18. 18 Tricia-Lorraine December 10, 2008 at 4:26 am

    I am a former FAME member. I never could put my finger on why I didn’t like Pastor Hunter, but he just didn’t seem real. I almost felt seriously offended by his blatant and deliberate attempt to speak Ebonics from the pulpit. Its obvious that he’s well educated, so is he speaking like that because he believes that is how his members want to be spoken to? Or maybe that we’re some back water, country swamp dwellers? Either way, it was unsettling to say the least.

    When he first took on pastoralship of FAME-LA, there were many scandalous allegations that Pastor Hunter bankrupted his last church and that he gave large bribes to Bishop Bryant to secure his position. Obviously there was lots of truth behind these allegation, which is why Bishop Bryant is allowing Pastor Hunter to continue to pastor FAME-LA.

    The whole scandal has made me sick to my stomach. This man will bankrupt the church if he is allowed to. How can current and former members of FAME outst this man?

    • 19 speaking truth December 10, 2008 at 9:24 am

      When he first took on pastoralship of FAME-LA, there were many scandalous allegations that Pastor Hunter bankrupted his last church and that he gave large bribes to Bishop Bryant to secure his position. Obviously there was lots of truth behind these allegation, which is why Bishop Bryant is allowing Pastor Hunter to continue to pastor FAME-LA

      Tricia – you and others have mentioned “Bishop Bryant” as the overseer of John Hunter but I don’t think many people have “connected the dots” yet. “Bishop Bryant” is Bishop John Richard Bryant, the Supervisor of the Fourth District of the AME church. He is also the father of the scurilous Jamal Harrison-Bryant, the Prince Pimp of Baltimore.

      In other words, nothing will happen unless some of the stink gets on Daddy Bryant himself, then he’ll toss Hunter over the bow.

  19. 20 gcmwatch December 10, 2008 at 9:35 am

    Just a question to all the AME-ers that have read this. Is there any bishop or leader in the AME church you feel will speak up and out about these types of issues? It seems like with most churches (AA) no one is brave enough to go on the record and publicly rebuke these types of people like Hunter, Jamal Bryant to name a few.

    Does anyone come to mind?

    • 21 WoundedSaintofGod April 21, 2009 at 5:47 pm

      No. Because they have all bought into this system. Once you are in th mix, you are in the mix. Our annual conferences are 95% about money and 5% about the spiritual needs of the people. It is the Lay that must step up. They have the power to do so but the belief now is that the Bishops and Pastors with the cash are paying off Lay Leaders! WOW!! That is deeeeeeep!

  20. 22 NANCY FROM KANSAS CUTY December 28, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    At this time I think maybe two but they are new and hope they want be corrupt. All Bishops have mess on them and maybe stand together and do something. Everyone wants the money. These men and women who are trying to get in has bagage they are bringing and it’s not good. They Lay can do this but we don’t have goood leadership in this either.

    What can a girl say!

  21. 23 Travelqtj April 21, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    I was a member of FAME for 12 years and I was spiritually fed by Rev. Murry. When Pastor John took over, it was an instant let down. I soon stoped attending that church and begin visiting others. I was recently told by a friend,who is still an active member of FAME, that he is now wearing an ankle braclet. Is that true? She also told me that they cannot move him because the FBI needs him to stay there a little longer while they complete their invistigation. I personally feel that if he must stay at FAME, he should not be allowed to have the title of Sr. Pastor nor be allowed to speak from the pulpit.

    Many of the members are refusing to allow Rev. Hunter to run them away from a church they have attended for so long. In addition, they know that soon he will be replaced.

  22. 24 WoundedSaintofGod April 21, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    I too was a member of FAME. We were totally dissed by Pimpin’ John. My wife and I left after a year of attempting to get an appointment with the Pharisee John Hunter. He obviously was too busy counting money. The real power of the church is in the Lay. Why the Lay does not demand that this crook be removed is beyond my comprehension. It is truly time for reform. Our church is following the same processes that Richard Allen followed 2 centuries ago. Everything must change. The system is set up for those at the top to take care of each other. Bishops look out for each other. The ability to pay off someone in the decision making process is way to easy.
    The church needs to establish an overall minimun salary for Pastors. As our president is implementing, a more transparent financial system and 4 year assignments fo pastors.
    These would be a start of the reform needed. And these need to happen before our glorious church becomes a relic.

  23. 25 Taylor July 17, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    FAME Members, if you are tired of John Hunter and Denise Brown eating, wearing and driving your money, do something. All you have to do is send your Bishop an email or note asking for his removal based on maladministration and misappropriation of funds. The Bishop has the details already, we just need people to actually place their name on a complaint form
    Bishop Theodore Larry Kirkland
    4519 Admiralty Way
    Marina Del Ray, CA 90292
    310-577-8530
    310-577-8540 – FAX
    bishoptkirkland@aol.com

    A pimp (pronounced /pɪmp/, also called fleshmonger or Pander) finds and manages women (often young girls) who are vulnerable and susceptible, for what ever reason, to extreme manipulation and engages them in prostitution (in brothels and on the streets) in order to profit from their earnings. Typically, a pimp will not force prostitutes to “be with him”, although some have been known to be abusive in order to keep their prostitutes submissive or to maximize profits. A pimp may also offer to protect his prostitutes from rival pimps and prostitutes, or from abusive clients. They can also enable a prostitute to work in a particular area under his control. Pimping is illegal in many countries.

    The word pimp first appeared in English in 1607 in a Thomas Middleton book entitled Your Five Gallants. It is believed to have stemmed from the French infinitive pimper meaning to dress up elegantly and from the present participle pimpant meaning alluring in dress seductive. Pimp used as a verb, meaning to act as a pimp, first appeared in 1636 in Massinger’s book, The Bashful Lover.[9] In the 18th and 19th centuries, the term was commonly used to refer to informers.[10] A pimp can also mean “a despicable person”.[11] The term can also be applied to a person who is considered a ladies’ man.[12]

    The stereotype of the inner-city pimp was popularized in the 1970s, making terms such as pimpmobile or pimp walk (a kind of swagger which was mainly popular among African-American men) widely known.[12] Many blaxploitation films of that era glamorize a pimp lifestyle.

    The verb “pimping” came up in the early 17th century.[12] In the first years of the 21st century, a new meaning of the word has emerged in the form of a transitive verb which means “to decorate” or “to gussy.” This new definition was made popular by Pimp My Ride, an MTV television show.[12] Although this new definition paid homage to hip-hop culture and its connection to street culture, it has now entered common, even mainstream commercial, use.[13] In medical context, the verb also means “To ask (a student) a question for the purpose of testing his knowledge.”[14]

    Notable pimps/madams
    Jason Itzler – The “King of all Pimps” (born 1967 as Jason Sylk), founder of NY Confidential Regular guest on The Howard Stern Show – Interviewed on CNN’s Larry King Live.
    Iceberg Slim
    Al Capone[15]
    Sydney Biddle Barrows – the “Mayflower Madam”
    Dennis Hof – owner of the Moonlite Bunny Ranch
    Heidi Fleiss – the “Hollywood Madam”
    Don “Magic” Juan
    Sally Stanford
    Polly Adler
    Lucky Luciano
    Deborah Jeane Palfrey – called the “D.C. Madam” by the media
    Elizabeth Needham
    Anna Wilson (madam) – Pioneer madam in Omaha, Nebraska
    Suga Free
    Al Swearengen
    Ah Toy
    Xaviera Hollander – author of The Happy Hooker
    Cynthia Payne
    Gippeumjo
    Fillmore Slim
    JOHN HUNTER, FIRST AME CHURCH LOS ANGELES

  24. 26 beverly November 5, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    I have not seen a angel, nor know of any with ecception of my mother whom I believe never committed adultry or murdered anyone. It’s easy to be a wrongdoer by putting your dreams, aspirations, and wants within your reach (by manipulation) no matter the cost, penalty, or pain you may bestow on your friends, family, and those who deem you trustworthy….only the innocent and babies are forgiven because they don’t know any better. My concerns is “How to keep our CHURCH PEWS filled with human beings that realize nothing is resolved thru chaos and bickering….this is why we cannot withstand the turmoils in our community. Who wants Pastorship at FAME, We’ve got a Pastor and a First Lady who need time and space to rebuild a dying traditional church that has become large enough that it has a “Voice” in this community and Votes that make a difference. Who started these accusations and put them on the wire? We have to go back to the first complaint and we may find someone has not been elevated and doesn’t like it..so, Wreak Havoc, Close it Down, Shut the Doors. My thought, Take it to the ELDERS, let them handle it and back off. We’ve got enough knives in our back!

  25. 27 may November 20, 2009 at 2:47 am

    FAME is really under attack by the enemy. I am so sorry to hear of this strife and you are in my prayers. There are some interesting comments on this page. My suggestion is that the church or separate groups of you should get together and have prayer meetings with God, praying continuously. You’ve got to get God in the mix in order to come to a Godly and Righteous solution.

    God bless all of you.

  26. 28 Retta Bonner November 28, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    I am a member of F.A.M.E. South in Kent Washington who joined under Pastor Hunter’s leadership. One Church two locations, this was his dream.

    Pastor Hunter,

    Thank your for the audacity to follow through with that dream! God knows your heart, go to F.A.M.E Seattle web page and check out what F.A.M.E. South is doing and always remember that we are forever grateful that God used you to carry the mustard seed to Kent Washington. May God continue to bless as he has already forgiven you.

    Retta Bonner


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