Pimp (Revenue) Down!

I’m writing this post in response to the many calls and emails I’m getting from current members and leaders at a church here in suburban Atlanta. At the request of many, I’ll further explore the consequences of what happens when the Word of God is dwarfed by the pursuit of earthly riches and influence.

The church in question is relatively young (they’ve only been around for less than 7 years), yet they’ve racked up quite a few accomplishments:

  • The church boasts a membership of over 12,000 members 
  • The pastor drives a Bentley and recently moved into an (almost) million dollar home
  • The pastor has a phalanx of security personnel that watch his every move – from greeting him at the front door to clearing his path as he walks
  • The church recently moved into a new double-digit multi-million dollar “worship facility and campus”
  • The church streams their worship services live across the globe via Streaming Faith

With all of that happening, you would think that the church was on cloud nine, right?

Well, not so fast. Since the pastor of this church is a “spiritual son” of Eddie Long, you have to expect “the other shoe” to drop at some point, and that point is…now.

Problem #1 – He’s demanding submission to his authority:

While the pastor started out teaching from a sound biblical and doctrinal perspective in the early days, he got off track several years ago, and it’s beginning to alienate his followers. He’s demanding loyalty by submission to his “apostolic and prophetic anointing” while he insulates himself with layers of people instead of being accessible to the sheep. Even the first line of the church’s “Givers Confession” asks God to grant blessings to the sheep while they “support the vision and the visionary”.

Problem #2 – He’s ignoring the economic ailments of his congregation:

The pastor is a proponent and teacher of the false doctrine of tithing, love offering, first fruit, and any other money-making scheme at work in churches today. He’s keenly aware of the disappearing middle class within his church, yet that doesn’t stop him from demanding the sheep to “sow into God’s system despite what they see”.

Membership is down…way down (you can see row upon row of empty seats via the Streaming Faith feed on any given Sunday or Wednesday), which means giving is down also. All this doesn’t bode well for a congregation with a brand new double-digit multi-million dollar building. Did anyone stop to think that expenses would quadruple since this facility is 4+ times larger than the old facility?

Recently, the pastor acknowledged the decrease in revenue and asked (from the pulpit) that everyone bring an offering to the alter. On the surface you might assume that this is a “spiritual admonition” to demonstrate faith in God by bringing your “seed” to the alter yourself.

The reality is that this is yet another intimidation tactict that guilts the giver into coming to the alter because they don’t want to appear to be “disobedient” while everyone else around then brings their dough to the stage – while the pastor is looking at them sitting in their seat!

Even still, some of the braver sheep sat stoically in defiance, which prompted the pastor to intone:

“Some of you are being disobedient to God by either not giving or not giving enough. At the sound of my voice, obey the Holy Spirit and bring your seed to the alter. Move…Move…Move…Come On…Come On…Come On…That’s it…That’s it….Move…”

Problem #3- He’s emulating his “spiritual father” by disallowing local viewers to watch live services via Streaming Faith:

Last year, Eddie Long started to see a dip in his church’s revenues and (rightly) assumed that too many local people were watching his services via the Internet as opposed to visiting the church – and bringing an offering. So, he decided to cut live feeds to his services via Streaming Faith so that locals would have to visit to hear him live. He later reneged due to fallout from local viewers, but the point had been made – they’re more likely to get a “seed” from you if you’re in the building when the “anointing hits”.

Fast forward to yesterday (May 11, 2008). Local viewers logged in to Streaming Faith to see this pastor (Eddie’s “spiritual son”) twist scripture. Instead, viewers saw a video of the pastor describing how the Holy Spirit revealed to him that it was time to cut the church’s local video feed – oh, and the Holy Spirit wanted viewers from surrounding counties to come to the new double-digit multi-million dollar facility so that they could see God move in person!

Yup, sounds like the money woes are true.

The Apostle Peter masterfully described the role of an elder (pastor) in the local assembly – does the leadership at this church even remotely resemble it?:

1(A)Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your (B)fellow elder and (C)witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a (D)partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,

 2shepherd (E)the flock of God among you, exercising oversight (F)not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and (G)not for sordid gain, but with eagerness;

 3nor yet as (H)lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be (I)examples to the flock.

 4And when the Chief (J)Shepherd appears, you will receive the (K)unfading (L)crown of glory. (1 Peter 5:1-4)

As I mentioned at the beginning of this post – I get calls and emails every week from current members of this church, independently corroborating one bad thing after another.

I’ll tell you the same thing that I tell them: unless you’re speaking out against these practices while in the assembly, or you’re attempting to meet with the pastor (as the Lord leads) to discuss how off course he is, then you should pray for courage to leave the presence of this ignorance.

Pray for this pastor and this congregation – that God through the Holy Spirit would bring to remembrance the worthiness of his call (Colossians 1:9-12), and that he would tend to the sheep in his care.

Pray also that the sheep would hear the voice of God (John 10:27-28), and heed accordingly – even if it means to labor on this plantation even longer in order to warn others.

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30 Responses to “Pimp (Revenue) Down!”


  1. 1 Independent Conservative May 12, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    The Holy Spirit is NOT telling people to go give him more money. Here’s what God says as is written in the Word of God.

    3If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,

    4he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,

    5and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.

    6But godliness actually is a means of great gain when accompanied by contentment.

    7For we have brought nothing into the world, so we cannot take anything out of it either.

    8If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content.

    9But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.

    10For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

    11But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness.

    1 Timothy 6:3-11 (New American Standard Bible)

    The ONLY time they are feeling the true presence of the Holy Spirit is when THEY FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD BE RUNNING AWAY FROM THAT PLACE AND NOT LOOKING BACK.

    Good post, any chance you can get your hands of the full “Givers Confession”? I’d really like to have a list gathered of several of these “Givers Confessions”, so people can see how insane some of them are.

  2. 2 Speaking Truth May 12, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    You know what church this is IC, so I’m sure you’re not surprised at how things are spiraling out of control at this place.

    Also, you’ve seen the full givers confession, so now you know exactely what to pray against ;-)

  3. 3 James May 13, 2008 at 7:20 am

    There’s so much I want to comment on in this post, but I don’t have the time. I’ll come back 2 it. However, I do want to ask a question, and I think it is a fair question…

    What is wrong with NB or the sister church cutting off the streaming video if that meant people would come to church as opposed to watching services online w/o the benefit of fellowship? Why does it HAVE to be that there’s an ill itent behind the disallowing of the live local feed? Why do you ASSUME that their reasoning is a financially based one and not one of mere concern of fellowship…frankly neither one of us know? All we can do is assume, so either good or bad, let’s be fair at least.

    TO ME, it makes sense that when you look at the numbers on paper, and notice that in certain locations the feeds are up and attendance is down, then there’s a problem. Are we not admonished to “not forsake the assembling of yourselves…” Watching church online is just that..a forsaking. What if the Pastor decided to start preaching from home and doing a live feed from his house, then would not everyone be upset? Isn’t that impersonal? So is watching church from home…it is not fellowship.

    Furthermore, I don’t support this “the Holy Spirit told me to cut off the streaming feeds…blah blah blah.” I didn’t see the video, so I don’t know what that was all about.

    NOw Problems # 1 & 2, I’ll have to do more investigating b4 commenting, but I know one thing. Why is the vision always another building, which in turn means more money- consistent money to pay the bills for this new building, all the while there are more and more foreclosures on people’s homes who attend these churches. I mean, I’m all for saints having Family Life Centers–I don’t see anything wrong with me taking my children to a facility that is operated/owned/funded by the church we attend as a family. I mean, wealthy people do it all the time…they call them Country Clubs. What, the saints gotta be down-trodden? But I believe there is a time/season for those things. Right now, the current world status is dictating something different than “a new building.” Our focus/vision has got to change.

    Wouldn’t it be great when the vision becomes about raising money to put up a campaign of billboards right next to the abortion clinic, the nightclub- both gay and straight, the strip club, the liquor store, the porn shops, etc… And the billboards NOT have a gleeming picture of a Pastor, but it would have THE WORD OF GOD–bringing conviction to all who read it, but seasoned with grace.

    Wouldn’t it be great when the vision becomes about ministering outside one night…setting up a picnic table near the nightclub…like those chicken wing shacks, and from the picnic table, minister the Word of God to those who are waiting in line for 30 min. to get into the club. Talk with them, laugh with them, pray for them, offer them Christ (half of them already go to church anyway on Sat night…LOL) .

    Wouldn’t it be great when the vision becomes about confronting corrupt politicians and calling them to repentance. Those same politicians who get in the pulpit and beg for votes during election season, but get in office and cut up and act silly. But they “know God” during election season.

    ok, it’s late/early……….I gotta go. I’ll do part 2 later…Peace out….

  4. 4 Speaking Truth May 13, 2008 at 9:59 am

    James,

    Again, welcome back. If this is what you say when you don’t have time, then I’m going to have to rent you some space to express your thoughts when you do have time :lol:

    Please allow me to address some of your points:

    What is wrong with NB or the sister church cutting off the streaming video if that meant people would come to church as opposed to watching services online w/o the benefit of fellowship? Why does it HAVE to be that there’s an ill itent behind the disallowing of the live local feed? Why do you ASSUME that their reasoning is a financially based one and not one of mere concern of fellowship…frankly neither one of us know?

    Streaming Faith is not a free service – churches have to pay in order to have audio and video feeds during their live services, so I agree that churches can do what they please if they don’t want to pay for it anymore. In these 2 instances, I’ve spoken with people “in the know” in both of these churches, and they confirmed that both churches cut the live stream due to a reduction in offerings during services, and again, this has been independently corroborated by others “in the know”, so I take it at face value.

    I agree with you – it’s important for the saints to assemble together (Hebrews 10:24-25), but “assembling” can be done in someone’s living room, a few tables in the corner of a Starbucks, a rented room in the library, etc. I think the word “church” has become so diluted that folks forget that WE ARE the church – thus making it easier to compartmentalize their relationship with Christ because they limit their experiences to the building.

    Also, to be fair, I know that lots of local folks only watch via the internet because they don’t wan’t to deal with traffic, the offeratory appeal, etc., so it’s not the pastors fault – and lot’s of things go into deciding how to broadcast, where to broadcast, etc. NB and the sister church still broadcast on TV, so maybe it was a business decision – and correct me if I’m wrong, but NB is back live on Streaming Faith again, aren’t they?

    Watching church online is just that..a forsaking. What if the Pastor decided to start preaching from home and doing a live feed from his house, then would not everyone be upset? Isn’t that impersonal? So is watching church from home…it is not fellowship.

    I’ll let others chime in on whether or not watching “church” from home is actually foresaking the assembly. I don’t have a formal assembly that I attend weekly since I fled my former plantation, so I visit assemblies as the Lord leads – looking for a bible based pastor. I also lead my family in study of the Word, and I fellowship with neighbors to share the Word as well – so technically, am I foresaking the assembly since I don’t have a “church home” at this time? I guess it just depends on individual circumstances.

    Plus, you and I both know how impersonal the church can be at times. The majority of folks who attend mega churches have never shaken their pastors hand, so that could be considered impersonal as well.

    I say “AMEN” to the rest of your comments. You’re right – the mission of the Body of Christ is to evangelize to the world that needs to hear the Gospel. As fundamentally basic as the core message of the Gospel is (the acknowledgement and repentance of sin and acceptance of Jesus Christ for eternal life), we complicate it by adding all of the bad fruit to it (name it and claim it, your best life here and now, false prophecy, etc.) when we should stick to the mmessage and the work of the ministry.

    Everything else distracts and takes the focus off of Christ.

  5. 5 Independent Conservative May 13, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Hi James,

    These things would be so much clearer to you if you totally discontinued attendance in that house of covetousness run by Eddie Long.

    What is wrong with NB or the sister church cutting off the streaming video if that meant people would come to church as opposed to watching services online w/o the benefit of fellowship?

    Who are you to judge why someone does not attend on any given Sunday? Not that anyone should have ANY desire to get anything from false prosperity teacher Eddie Long, but I can say personally regarding where I do worship, we sometimes miss services because like this past Sunday, we had to travel all weekend because of a funeral. So we were totally worn from much driving. The assembly I worship with puts everything online, so I can ensure I keep up with what is being taught without any issues.

    New Birth could offer archived sermons online for free if they wanted… (But I’m not trying to help them further redistribute false doctrine.)

    Why does it HAVE to be that there’s an ill intent behind the disallowing of the live local feed? Why do you ASSUME that their reasoning is a financially based one and not one of mere concern of fellowship…frankly neither one of us know? All we can do is assume, so either good or bad, let’s be fair at least.

    We know because that pimp contiues speaking garbage like this. James, with me and Speaking Truth, we have a collective over 10 years of time hearing him. We know it’s all about the money. You do too, although you won’t come out and always say it.

    Isn’t that impersonal?

    James, you know full well, that when Club New Birth is packed, many of the people have to watch in far off rooms or perhaps the “family life center” via a video feed. If it’s an issue of being “impersonal”, than Eddie Long is a hypocrite for ever offering such “impersonal” means of distribution in the first place.

    Furthermore, I don’t support this “the Holy Spirit told me to cut off the streaming feeds…blah blah blah.” I didn’t see the video, so I don’t know what that was all about.

    NOW SEE JAMES! Here you see that they are LYING. Yet you at times make up various defenses. They are lying. They are DISHONEST. They are BEARING FALSE WITNESS ON THE HOLY SPIRIT. You know people have fallen dead for such. You can attempt to offer them some sort of cover, but I won’t stand anywhere near them or offer them any defense at all. It is best to warn everyone to GET AWAY from them. They have lied against God.

    Why is the vision always another building, which in turn means more money- consistent money to pay the bills for this new building, all the while there are more and more foreclosures on people’s homes who attend these churches.

    See James, again you see there is a problem. So we have no foundation from which to assert the ending of feeds was a deed of noble intentions.

    Matthew 10:8 (New American Standard Bible)

    8 “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.

    Christians are to give freely. You know the Roman Catholic Cult had a really interesting way for keeping people attending their services. THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO HAVE THEIR OWN BIBLE. If what Long and his “sons” preach were of God, they would have no reason to ever attempt to inhibit its distribution. It is the job of the pastor to freely distribute the Word of God. The saints are to ensure they gather, but no pastor has authority to withhold the Word of God from anyone.

    I mean, wealthy people do it all the time…they call them Country Clubs. What, the saints gotta be down-trodden?

    Now James, why are the wealthy heathens of this degenerate world your measure? Remember 1 Timothy 6? Remember verse 8?

    When you start with a statement such as “wealthy people do it all the time”, just keep in mind, that you’re using the evil world as your foundational point instead of scripture.

    Luke 6:20-26 (New American Standard Bible)

    20 And turning His gaze toward His disciples, He began to say, “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

    21 “Blessed are you who hunger now, for you shall be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

    22 “Blessed are you when men hate you, and ostracize you, and insult you, and scorn your name as evil, for the sake of the Son of Man.

    23 “Be glad in that day and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven For in the same way their fathers used to treat the prophets.

    24 “But woe to you who are rich, for you are receiving your comfort in full.

    25 “Woe to you who are well-fed now, for you shall be hungry. Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep.

    26 “Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for their fathers used to treat the false prophets in the same way.

    The Lord Himself said His own would be the ones who did not appear to be living on top of the world in monetary terms. Did the Apostles of the Lord Jesus have Country Club memberships?

    Shouldn’t the church be working to meet the needs of the poor (poor saints in particular) above having a “Country Club”?

    Regarding billboards at various places of sin, can you take a look at 1 Corinthians 5 and see who the Apostle Paul mentioned he judges and who he does not judge? The picnic table idea is good, but the billboards trying to reign down “conviction” won’t do much with people who don’t know the Savior.

    With politicians, from a Christian standpoint, those who claim they are Christians yes the church can call them out when they are doing wrong. Yet we must respect their position of earthly authority, Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2:13-17.

    We are supposed to judge those claiming to be in the House of God and when they seek to limit distribution of Word, that is a problem. However Club New Birth is spreading false doctrines, so I’ve said before they should turn off all their mass media channels, including the mics in the building. Unless that evil false doctrine of covetousness is repented of.

  6. 6 Independent Conservative May 13, 2008 at 10:48 am

    Speaking Truth,

    I don’t have a formal assembly that I attend weekly since I fled my former plantation, so I visit assemblies as the Lord leads – looking for a bible based pastor. I also lead my family in study of the Word, and I fellowship with neighbors to share the Word as well – so technically, am I foresaking the assembly since I don’t have a “church home” at this time?

    No you are not forsaking and you are seeking a church assembly with pastors that stand on sound doctrine.

    The notion that you have to attend X number of meetings at location Y is totally a Roman Catholic (cult) tradition. One Christians need to get out of their heads.

  7. 7 James May 14, 2008 at 2:35 am

    Points from both well taken.

    IC, I assure you, I see clearly. It’s difficult for me to make myself clear via this platform, but let me try this again.

    Well u know what, I was gonna do another long post, but I’ll pass. I don’t think u guys get what I’m trying to say. I’m not dismissing your replies…not at all. But I think you guys think that because I sporadically attend NB, that in some indirect way I support NB and their carrying-on and that my ability to see is jaded or cloudy. Just so that u know: I can see cleary and I have been for years now. It was only by God’s grace that I came into the knowledge of truth about “church” and all the situations that have befallen us.

    I study the Word of God…I know what is going on, and on a lot of points, I agree with you all. Gosh, there’s so much I want to say, but I’m sleepy…it’s 2:30am.

  8. 8 Speaking Truth May 14, 2008 at 9:32 am

    James,

    I don’t think u guys get what I’m trying to say. I’m not dismissing your replies…not at all. But I think you guys think that because I sporadically attend NB, that in some indirect way I support NB and their carrying-on and that my ability to see is jaded or cloudy.

    I get what you’re saying James, and I also presented what I consider to be vaild points about the original post. I already know where you stand in regards to your membership at NB, so it’s not my issue – you spoke in a previous post about your mission at NB and I’ll take you at your word.

    My intent was to address the issue about church attendance – from the perspective of people like me who don’t belong to a church at this time.

  9. 9 Independent Conservative May 14, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    James, you’ve mentioned why you still spend time at Club New Birth before.

    I can tell you without a doubt, when you fully discontinue spending time there, you’ll have a greater level of clarity than you even have now. Never again will you ask some of the questions you asked earlier in this comment thread.

    Plenty of us are reaching out to people including friends and family who are into bad doctrines, but we don’t have to sit in their false doctrine any Sunday to do it.

    I think you should follow your own suggestion and setup a table OUTSIDE of Club New Birth rather than going inside.

  10. 10 Douglas K. Adu-Boahen May 16, 2008 at 8:42 am

    Being quite a stubborn person by nature, I would’ve looked eyeball to eyeball with that thief, and said, “Come get it from my cold, dead hands, if you need it!”. I’m 17, and I even know that a multi-million dollar facility needs more money to function. Why not just be honest – “We’re hardly breaking even, and as a congregation we need your help”. If it’s truly of God, why lie?

  11. 11 Speaking Truth May 16, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    “I would’ve looked eyeball to eyeball with that thief, and said, “Come get it from my cold, dead hands, if you need it!”

    :lol:

    I think it’s safe to say that you won’t be visiting this “church” when you come to the US, huh Doug?

    As simple as it sounds, this pimp might’ve garnered more respect if he stood up like a man and told the truth, instead of using the Holy Spirit to squeeze dough.

    I noticed something about these pimps – they always claim that “God is going to bless you if you have faith”, yet they don’t trust God to take care of their needs – they’d rather rely on their sales skills and extort the money instead of giving God a chance to “move”. :roll:

  12. 12 Independent Conservative May 16, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    If it’s truly of God, why lie?

    Maybe they suspect IF they told the truth that somebody might ask them which Apostle of the Lord Jesus EVER initiated a building project. If they were honest, they’d have to admit their Mc-church model of trying to acquire more land and build more buildings while they pull from other assemblies is not in scripture at all. That is if anyone would take a moment to realize they are NOT King David under the Old Covenant with a “temple” that is a man made building, with a veil preventing access to the Holy place. They’d actually have to read scripture and realize the Apostles did things differently with the church. Given they knew their/our High Priest was not seeking a new building.

    Hebrews 7:12 (New American Standard Bible)

    12 For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.

    And all the grandiose construction projects of King David are NONEXISTENT when you view how the Apostles of the Lord Jesus handled managing the church.

    God does not reside in a building made by hands, so people who claim the Lord’s name need to stop acting as if a newer bigger building will please Him. And stop acting like everyone just has to be LITERALLY under OUR ROOF.

  13. 13 Speaking Truth May 16, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Excellent point, IC. Lots of pimps drag out 2 Samuel to justify extorting the sheep for a building fund – just like they love to drag out the book of Malachi to justify the old covenant practice of “tithing” (even though it doesn’t apply to us) to justify their weekly extortion of the sheep.

    If we trusted in the pimp in order to “hear from God”, then they would lead us to believe that God would be like a major-league sports team – wanting a new “stadium” every other year…at taxpayers (or tithers) expense :roll:

  14. 14 endtimespropheticwords May 16, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Thanks for boldly speaking out – interesting blog.

  15. 15 Douglas K. Adu-Boahen May 17, 2008 at 10:14 am

    I was being serious LOL. If I were in the States, I wouldn’t touch any such church with a ten-foot pole. I’m 17 – what little money I have, I use for honest causes, not because my pastor was foolish enough to build a multi-million complex and not count the cost of it.

  16. 16 Sugacoles May 18, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Was the pastor of this church recently ordain in the past two to three years a Bishop?

  17. 17 Speaking Truth May 19, 2008 at 9:23 am

    Sugacoles,

    No – and it’s not Dale Bronner or Gary Hawkins.

    I’ve been blunt about my past experiences with my former pastor and church (see any of my other posts), but I’ve been specifically asked not to identify this church, so I’ll respect that.

  18. 18 ready4change May 19, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Speaking Truth,

    I don’t exactly know what club—err, uh, I mean ministry you’re talking about, but I can certainly say that Bronner and Hawkins are pimps in their own right…

    Although I don’t agree with everything he says, I listen from time to time to Collin Cowherd’s show on ESPN radio. Today, when speaking on the denial of Notre Dame coach Charlie Weiss’ knowledge of “spygate”, Cowherd made a statement that peaked my interest.

    “I don’t care what occupation you’re in, whether it’s sports, business, media, even RELIGION. It is absurd to think that you can even be marginally successful without doing a little dance with the unethical.”

    Perhaps this is where Jakes, Long, Landers and others derive their philosophy of ministry. Don’t be surprised if you hear this soon from a pulpit pimp at a club near you.

    This post contains good stuff, as always. I’m so grateful and appreciative to the Lord for brothers such as yourself that speak out against the atrocities of these predators. Also the fact that you experienced this madness first hand gives you even more credibility to do so. I was reading your interaction and dialogue with James and wondered if you had ever heard of or lived near Southwest Christian Fellowship? It’s pastored by Anthony Carter, who I think most would consider theologically sound and biblically solid. Here’s a link to his blog (which also provides a link to the fellowship).

    http://cyreneministries1.blogspot.com/

    Let me know what your thoughts are, and I am continually praying for you and your family in all of your endeavors.

    Solus Christus,

    R4C (from pulpitpimps.org)

  19. 19 Speaking Truth May 19, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Hey R4C,

    It’s about time you made it by :-) Former Southside Chicagoan also, right?

    I have heard of SCF in Atlanta and I’m actually planning a visit really soon – I’ve heard good things about Anthony Carter and I hope to read his book also.

    You’re right – it’s all a hustle to these guys. I’ve said it before – if they believed in the “gospel” that they preach, then they wouldn’t need to shake down the sheep.

    Thanks for coming by, and we sincerely appreciate your prayers…

  20. 20 Sugacoles May 19, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    I respect that. I would be HIGHLY disappointed if its the person who was initially supposed to taken over after someone’s retirement!!!! I hope he has not gone in this direction.

  21. 21 Speaking Truth May 20, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Nope Sugacoles, this pimp is not an heir to anyone – he’s building his own “kingdom” and hoping to groom his own “heir”.

    You know, I was thinking…it’s sad that this isn’t an isolated case of someone falling off the deep end. The fact that we’re talking about several entirely different people just illustrates how far pastors have strayed from their mission of shepherding God’s sheep :roll:

  22. 22 ready4change May 20, 2008 at 11:48 am

    ST,

    Southside indeed!!!!!! (101st and Union Baby!!!!)

    I’ll be there in a couple of weeks to attend my little sister’s high school graduation (Percy L. Julian). It’s pretty exciting, because it’s been about 6 years since I’ve been home. Being in the military doesn’t allow much stationary location, if you know what I mean. I definitely solicit your prayers, because I’m currently asking the Lord to season my words with grace as it concerns my family. They are still steeped into some gross error as it concerns doctrine, and I definitely need the wisdom and humility of Christ when speaking with them. Thanks for the response bro, and I look forward to conversing with you in the future.

    Soli Deo Gloria,

    R4C

  23. 23 Speaking Truth May 20, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    106th & Eggleston, RFC!

    My cousin went to Julian – I’m a Mendel man myself, class of 87 :-D

    I’ll certainly keep you and yours in my prayers, although I may not be the best example of “speaking in love” (as you can tell from my posts), though I’m working on it ;-)

    The best thing to do is present the truth of the Gospel and let them decide on their own. I’m a living witness that only God can open your eyes and give you the directive to flee false doctrine. If man could do it, then it would render the sacrifice of Christ as null and void.

    All the best, bruh!

  24. 24 Sugacoles May 20, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Oh, you are certainly correct. Everyone is looking for fame and fortune now!

  25. 25 Escapee Too May 26, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Speaking The Truth

    I have recently escaped from the plantation and have “re-received” the liberating “true” message of the gospel. I told you months ago that this was your God given destiny. Keep “Speaking The Truth”. Thanks for your prayers! They have delivered me from the lies of man!

    As you know I am a recent escapee from the ministry referenced in this post. I have experienced 1st hand the debacle at this edifice. Not only have I experienced 1st hand the financial strain that has burdened this ministry but moreover the membership. The slaves servants of this ministry are strained beyond belief! The “Martha” spirit is rampant! Folks are running around serving so hard that they cannot see straight. You can only beat down people for so long. Over time, the human spirit rebels “lording” (Small ‘l’) by a man. Rebellion from “man” and a turn to the Lord (Big “L”) is going to sweep through this place.

  26. 26 Speaking Truth May 26, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Welcome to the outside Escapee!

    I thank God through Jesus Christ that you’ve made the decision to flee false doctrine, man worship, and the church mafia! :-D

    Brother, I can’t say that it’ll be easy out here, but it’s certainly worth it. My prayer is that you continue to talk to and pray for those you left behind, and Lord willing they’ll be following you out of that God-forsaken place.

    Please continue to pray for your misguided former pimp…

  27. 27 escapeetoo May 29, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    I just got off the Hampton Pimps “track” and I just can’t stop telling my horror stories.

    Pimp revenue is not down that much. How do I know? Well during a recent sermon and call to “hit the stroll” for more money it was revealed that Eddie’s son was involved in real estate investing.

    Real estate is not a bad thing in slow economic times. But how can you highlight that fact when many of your members are hurting financially. Clayton County Georgia has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the metro Atlanta area. But thats what pimps do…”make use of often dishonorably for one’s own gain or benefit” (Websters)

    And speaking of “one’s own gain or benefit” Eddie’s son solicited the support of several top earners (Pimpestry members) to join him in a popular multi level marketing venture. Of course he was at the top of the pyramid (near the top). It was sold as an “opportunity” to get started in business.But as I found out business and a pimp don’t go hand and hand!

    A pimp is going to get his/her money someway or another. Don’t fall victim! You’d be better off supplying gas for single mom for a week rather than giving to a pimp to push his Bentley!

  28. 28 Speaking Truth May 29, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    Alright escapeetoo – are you knocking this pimp’s “juice hustle” a/k/a Noni Juice multi-level marketing?
    :lol:

    I’ve heard the horror stories of people being intimidated into joining his MLM group because “pastor thinks this is a good idea, and you don’t want to let him down, do you” :roll:

    And you’re right – the pimps revenue may be just fine, but this church is teetering on the edge of going in the red…

  29. 29 Fedup June 3, 2008 at 1:13 am

    I have been reading the posts for many weeks now and have found them to be a breath of fresh air. Its something how you always feel that you are alone until God enlightens you. I too have been a part of the Hampton GA “Hustle and Flow”. Things just seem to continue to spiral in a direction that does not support true Biblical doctrine. The spinning of God’s word for personal gain is out of control. Last Sunday’s message served only to convince and compel the membership to present their tithes and offerings no matter their personal circumstances. I find myself at church angry every time something spews from his mouth that makes no biblical since. Many times it does not even make commmon since.

    In life we all see things that are wrong and in most cases we are willing to step out and say it with conviction and no shame. When it comes to a “mand of gawd”, as some have said, we just seem to let it pass. Are we not too responsible?

    Thanks to all of you for sharing the truth and supporting it with sound scripture.

    Many Blessings!

  30. 30 Speaking Truth June 3, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Fedup

    I thank God through Jesus Christ that you aren’t being fooled by your pastor. Whenever ANYONE subverts the true message of the Gospel (salvation through Jesus Christ) and turns it into a cheap mantra of “name it/claim it”, “give to get”, etc. then that pimp is not to be trusted. I’ve said on many occassions that these pimps don’t really believe the Word they claim to preach. They don’t trust God to supply their needs, so they manipulate God’s people into giving so that any doubt of their financial support is removed.

    You’re supposed to give and “trust God”, but they’re suppose to sit back and receive with impunity while you’re rubbing 2 nickles together. Where is their faith?

    Last Sunday’s message served only to convince and compel the membership to present their tithes and offerings no matter their personal circumstances. I find myself at church angry every time something spews from his mouth that makes no biblical since. Many times it does not even make commmon since.

    This pastor stopped preaching about salvation through Christ at least 3 years ago. Now – every weekly message is another take on getting more money from you (first fruit, his birthday, pentecostal offering, etc.).

    I’ve heard (and used) the “fish and bones” analogy when it comes to sitting under a pulpit pimp: “I ignore the crazy stuff and just focus on the word”, or “besides begging for money, he’s a really good pastor”…in other words, many people “chew the fish and spit out the bones”.

    Where is the scriptural justification for that? There is no “fish and bones” analogy in the bible, but there is an anology about leaven – and God’s judgment for those who distort His Word (Galatians 5:8-10).

    The fact that you’re bothered ( or “angry”, in your words) by your pimps weekly appeals is clear evidence that you need to flee his “covering”. Pray for guidance, but the bible is full of admonitions about fleeing false doctrine and false teachers – in essence, if you’re waiting for God to speak…He already has.

    Stay encouraged – you’re not alone…many in your church are reaching out to me and other bloggers soounding the alarm (and one of your former fellow congregants just started blogging as well).

    I pray that God give you the courage to do what He is calling you to do…


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